One of my co-workers, a retired marine who used to be a personal trainer, has offered to help me get in shape. We're going to the gym over lunch today, and I have to say, I'm both looking forward to it and a bit nervous.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
oh -- you're gonna be so SORE!!
FG
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
o_0
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I can understand that.
Speaking of being nervous, my shodan test is in 21 days. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Break a leg!
Er ...
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'm pretty sure that I'd fail if I broke somebody else's leg during my test.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Be afraid-be very afraid. My physical therapists are torturists, so I can imagine a military trainer would be even more pain-inducing.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Noemon, is he doing it for free? If so, *score*. That's awesome! I have a friend who is a personal trainer, but she lives too far away for me to schmooze some of her time in the gym.
Hot water bottles are very nice, btw. You might get more than one. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Oh. Holy. Hell.
I think that his definition of "taking it easy because it's our first day" might just be a *little* different than mine.
Yep, jeniwren, he's doing it for free! How cool is that?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
:: hands Jake a hot water bottle - or an ice pack :: you can alternate them
FG
[ December 28, 2004, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Is weight training gonna be part of the routine?
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
Woo-hoo!
Remeber, if you get through the first three weeks of the work out, you can do anything!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
*jealous*
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
How much did you bench press? Everyone knows it's important to try bench pressing as much as you possibly can on your first day.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:How much did you bench press? Everyone knows it's important to try bench pressing as much as you possibly can on your first day.
I probably bench press like 4 and a half pounds. Seriously, I have no idea how much I bench press. I don't know if I've ever actually bench pressed anything.
We did nothing but squats, alternating between doing it with a bar with 50 lbs of weight on it (for me, he used a lot more weight for himself) and doing it without a bar, and doing...oh, I don't know what he called it, but a thing where you start with the bar on the ground, dead lift it, and then bring it up over your head before bringing it back down to the ground. "Cleans and jerks", I think he called it. That and calf exercises. We did this, doing one set of each, then letting the other do one set of each, for about an hour and 15 minutes. I'd never done any of that except the calf exercises. I was pretty thoroughly exhausted afterward, but I'm feeling okay now. I'll be feeling it in the morning though, I'm thinking, although I'm told that the worst of the stiffness won't hit for about 48 hours.
Posted by Trisha the Severe Hottie (Member # 6000) on :
Condolences, Noemon.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
So, was this the lower body workout, and next time you'll do upper body? Or were the dead lifts the upper body part?
Yes, the second morning after, so Thursday morning, is the worst point.
Stick with it! You improve quickly in the beginning, and the pain goes away soon! :needs to start again:
[ December 28, 2004, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
He says that it's a fantastic way to burn calories, and I can feel that it's working pretty much every major muscle group. He says that once you get things going fluidly enough it becomes aerobic, which I was skeptical of before we did it, but I think is fairly likely now. The pauses while the other person is doing a set are brief enough that your heart rate doesn't really go down, and by the end of it I was as out of breath as if I'd been running.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
The dead lifts just work the thighs, but the bit with bringing the weight over one's head takes care of the upper body fairly thoroughly. I was surprised at what a workout it gave my abs, keeping everything balanced.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
That's quite a work out for your first day. I think he probably had you doing a snatch. In a clean and jerk, you bring the bar to your shoulders and then jerk it overhead in two separate motions.
Once upon a time, I could bench twice my body weight. Of course, that was more than half-a-lifetime ago.
edit: I'm sure he's keeping tabs on you, but you need to pay very close attention to form for the snatch or the clean and jerk.
[ December 28, 2004, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: zgator ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Lots of water. Consider OTC anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen. More water.
Careful with form, as Zan notes. I've gotten much more savvy about form when climbing stairs at work and home (we have a 2-bedroom townhouse), and it has really made a difference for my knees. Amazing, actually.
And yes, more water.
You go, Jake! It is so great to feel your body working and to have more energy.
[ December 29, 2004, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Yeah, on his advice I've been drinking many liters of water since the workout. I feel stiff today, but not sore. That'll come tomorrow. I just took some ibuprofen Sara--thanks for mentioning it! I'd meant to take some earlier, but I was out at home, and forgot about it this morning until I read your post.
My friend is *very* big on form, and was actually pretty surprised at how good mine was on the cleans and jerks. He was a little incredulous that it was that good, given that I'd never done them before. My form was pretty bad on my squats for some reason though. He said he'd have expected it to be the other way around.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
How exciting. You are going to have so much fun!
[ December 29, 2004, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
That's good that he's focusing on form. Doing PE in high school has made me unwilling to do any weight lifting now because I developed knee and elbow pain due to it. The teacher showed us how to do it once on the first day, but I'm sure I was doing it incorrectly, thereby injuring myself.
I hope your training experience goes well. How nice of your co-worker to help you out for free!
MPH, good luck on the shodan test. Are you doing it at a camp, or does your dojo do shodan testing?
Posted by J T Stryker (Member # 6300) on :
Back when i was wrestling, I wrestled for 9 months out of the year, after my 3 month break, it'd take me about 3 weeks to get back into the swing of things. but those first three weeks were as close to hell as I've come... but then again, wrestlers can't afford to up their water intake or any of that other helpful stuff...
Best of luck... just be happy he isn't focusing on your abbess, Marines have some fun exercises for those...
[ December 29, 2004, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: J T Stryker ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:Best of luck... just be happy he isn't focusing on your abbess, Marines have some fun exercises for those...
[Note to self: Do not Google "nun" without the safe search on. (The above is, however, work safe.)]
[ December 30, 2004, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
You are better doing half the reps but having correct form...not only do you get every bit as good of a workout that way but it is a ton safer.
Kwea
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
That's just what my friend said, Kwea.
I'm in some pain today (just muscle pain from it being about 48 hrs after the initial workout) but it isn't nearly as bad as I was afraid it might be. All that water drinking paid off, I guess.
Sara, I thought about posting something like that, but was a little scared to google for it from work!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
The human mind is an amazingly creative thing. Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
Sara!!
Moenan, glad you are feeling pretty good. I am just getting back into light hand weights after about two months, and drinking tons of water does help.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
It's just innocent water sports. Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
You are a shocking woman sometimes Ms. Sasse. That's one of the things I love about you.
I just started lifting again about 3 weeks ago. I always feel so much better when I'm able to exercise regularly.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Propriety and scandal wage constant and heaving war within my breast.
When I can both be naughty and pretend to virtue, I am replete: I sit back to lick my chops, all fat and sassy.
[ December 30, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
All I know is that you said "heaving" and "breast" in the same sentence. Where's the panting smilie?
Once upon a time, I would've wondered whether you meant to do that or not. I don't wonder that anymore.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It isn't my snowboarding or fencing that cause the most shoulder trauma.
Yesterday. Yesterday my shoulder was IN PAIN. It hasn't hurt that badly in a long time.
Why?
My sister kept saying, "Hold this. Now hold this. And this."
*writes note about not shopping with sister again*
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Moenan, glad you are feeling pretty good. I am just getting back into light hand weights after about two months, and drinking tons of water does help.
Moenan? Is that me?
[ December 30, 2004, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
At least he didn't call you Curlynon.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
[ December 30, 2004, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
Am I the only person here who goes out and creates a login for each creative misspelling of my username that I come across?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Yes.
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
Or Larrynon!
Romany's a woman, btw.
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
I thought I might be.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Yep.
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
The only one who creates such logins, I mean. Not a woman. I've been fairly convinced of my maleness for as long as I can remember.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
The man doth protest too much. *eyebrows raised
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
Actually, that's not entirely true. You know how there is kind of like a seam that bisects the scrotum? Where the proto-labia majora fused together, forming the sac? Well, I was a very paranoid child, as I've mentioned elsewhere. When I was 2 or 3 I suspected that this seam was evidence of surgical goings on inflicted on me by someone. I wasn't sure if it was my parents, ghosts, or aliens, and I wasn't sure what the purpose of said surgical goings on might have been, but a sex change seemed like a possibility.
[ December 30, 2004, 03:29 PM: Message edited by: Moenan ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Ahhhh. Poor sweet pea.
That is the place where the proto-labia fused, but I can see where that would cause all sorts of paranoid questions. Isn't it amazing what kids think about, but adults never know?
I had a somewhat different and much briefer sex-questioning experience: coming out of anesthesia after my first heart surgery, I heard someone referring to a patient as "he." (My eyes were still taped shut, and I was on the ventilator, so I couldn't talk.) This caused great consternation in my disoriented mind, and I believe they had to resedate me.
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
You know, I wonder why I was such a paranoid child? Really, I was very suspicious of all sorts of things that seem fairly preposterous in retrospect.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Hey! We both used the word "proto-labia" at the same time!
*high-fives
Jinx. Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
Ha! You must have been typing your explanation even as I was editing my post to contain the same info!
So, how old were you when you had your first heart surgery?
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
And then we both noticed it and posted about it! That's too funny that we both came up with the same term!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I know. Me, too.
I was pretty sure my parents were having orgies when I saw some anti-fungal powder in an upper cabinet. My first thought was "genital warts." I was about five or six, but I'd been readin my mother's nursing periodicals for some time.
I also convinced myself that witches lived behind the panelling and that the ceiling would bulge down at me if I stared at it.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
I knew Romany was a she. I just didn't go back and check who called you Moenom.
My bed growing up was about a foot from the wall so you could get sheets and such on. I used to always be nervous that there was something living down in that dark crack beside my bed. I told my parents that years later and they were beside themselves that they had put me through such trauma.
I guess I wasn't creative enough to think of sex change operations and such. Just monsters under the bed.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
I was seventeen. Lots of body image issues, anyway. *sigh
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
*grin
Noemon, we are destined never to be in the same room together. The only question is: Who gets to wear the cape?
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
I don't know, maybe we should draw straws for it?
quote: was pretty sure my parents were having orgies when I saw some anti-fungal powder in an upper cabinet. My first thought was "genital warts." I was about five or six, but I'd been readin my mother's nursing periodicals for some time.
I also convinced myself that witches lived behind the panelling and that the ceiling would bulge down at me if I stared at it.
You know Sara, really, I find it mind boggling how much we have in common. Seriously, that's *exactly* the sort of conclusion I'd have drawn, on finding the powder, and the bit about the witches behind the panelling and the ceiling bulge are both very much the sorts of things I'd have come up with. I guess it says good things about my self image that I like you so much, huh?
I was convined that if you watched the walruses at the local natural history museum long enough they'd begin to breathe. I also believed very firmly in ghosts, who I was sure were up to no good, and vampires, who scared the living hell out of me.
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
17 huh? Did you think that they'd performed a sex change on you, or that you'd actually been male all along?
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Me, too, about ghosts and vampires.
And I spent hours staring at & pinching together my thumb and forefinger, trying to see if I could see contact between them before I could feel it. Because, you know, that would be Proof of Something.
I like you a whole lot, too.
quote:17 huh? Did you think that they'd performed a sex change on you, or that you'd actually been male all along?
If I remember correctly, it was "Oh my god, they made me a man." But then later, after I was a little more awake, I had a conversation with the clock, once it climbed off the wall and onto the bed to tell me the time.
Narcotics.
[ December 30, 2004, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Moenan (Member # 7171) on :
quote:Because, you know, that would be Proof of Something.
Yes!
That sounds like me too!
On the whole vampire thing, I remember being scared out of my wits when I first heard about Pennsylvania, because I focused on the "sylvania" part, and thought that I lived on the same continent as Dracula. I'd previously taken some comfort in the fact that an entire ocean seperated me from him. I was very relieved when I realized my mistake.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
You two need to cut this out. Someone just walked into my office and found me staring at my hand while I pinched my thumb and forefinger together.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
This is one of the weirdest things I've read in a long time.
Posted by dread pirate romany (Member # 6869) on :
OOOPS! Sorry Noeman.
How did this converstaion go from fitness to orgies so fast?
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
*jaw drops
Sylvania! Me, too!
I think it was all based on this firm certainty that things are not what they seem, and not in a good way, either. Bad stuff is happening that nobody is telling you about, and you can maybe figure it out and Do Something. A morbid resolution of sorts, in response (maybe?) to the uncertain and out-of-control nature of the world of the child.
Zan, you must publish the results of your experiment. Here, where we can read them.
quote:My bed growing up was about a foot from the wall so you could get sheets and such on. I used to always be nervous that there was something living down in that dark crack beside my bed. I told my parents that years later and they were beside themselves that they had put me through such trauma.
Poor sweetie. And it would have been so easy to correct, too. (Though you might have found something else to fix on, I guess.)
[ December 30, 2004, 04:21 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Curse you Sara. You've actually got me doing this now.
I think I see contact before I can feel it. But then I have to keep doing it from different angles because I'm not sure that I'm not seeing some slight overlap of my digits. There not really touching, they just present the illusion of touching. I switch angles to make sure there lined up properly, but then how can I be sure that the other plane is not screwed up now.
Results thus far. One coworker thinks I'm screwy.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Yeah. It's almost like there's a thin pink film over the surface (fuzzy and not really there, more of an optical illusion) that comes together before you feel it. But when you do feel the touch, it's unmistakable -- not like you could have missed it and just suddenly noticed.
Weird, eh? I believe I was concerned that this might be an aura, and I wasn't sure if it was good or bad to see them.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Just when I think they're making contact, I'm trying to hold them steady while I rotate my hand so I can view it from a different angle. But I can't hold them steady enough. Even a slight twitch ruins it.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:I think it was all based on this firm certainty that things are not what they seem, and not in a good way, either. Bad stuff is happening that nobody is telling you about, and you can maybe figure it out and Do Something. A morbid resolution of sorts, in response (maybe?) to the uncertain and out-of-control nature of the world of the child.
My cousin Beth and I would spend some nights at my grandfather's farm (the place where the cats were fed a weird stew, as referenced in another thread). He loved kids and didn't like being alone, so the grandkids -- there were about 40+ of us at the time -- would rotate through.
Beth was 6, and I was 5. One night we stayed up to watch Saturday Night Live, which I'd never seen before, and were talking late into the night, after Grandpa fell asleep. I became concerned that burglars would enter through the back screens, so we gathered up mattress cushions and built a fake burglar. Then we practiced jumping out from behind the (cushionless) furniture and stabbing it with a screwdriver.
We were quite seriously worried and felt terribly responsible for protecting Grandpa. I don't think we slept at all that night.
quote:Just when I think they're making contact, I'm trying to hold them steady while I rotate my hand so I can view it from a different angle. But I can't hold them steady enough. Even a slight twitch ruins it.
You can see why it absorbs you for hours! Just as you are about to find out -- bang. You have to start over.
[ December 30, 2004, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Sara, no kidding? Sylvania for you too? That's...I don't know what that is. Something good though.
quote:I think it was all based on this firm certainty that things are not what they seem, and not in a good way, either. Bad stuff is happening that nobody is telling you about, and you can maybe figure it out and Do Something. A morbid resolution of sorts, in response (maybe?) to the uncertain and out-of-control nature of the world of the child.
::nods:: Yeah, that sounds about right. I always kept an emergency bag packed just in case everything went down and I had to take to the woods.
I thought that it wasn't unlikely that I would have to defend my family from burglars. My weapon of choice was the elevator column from my Death Star, which fit perfectly over my arm, and seemed like an effective bludgeoning device to me
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Zan, you need a mirror or two to help you in your research.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
quote:::nods:: Yeah, that sounds about right. I always kept an emergency bag packed just in case everything went down and I had to take to the woods.
Yeah! And I would mentally review escape routes through the fields and streets (where to hide, where there was good groundcover for running) some nights before falling asleep.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Me too!
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
And you could probably hide out under a neighbor's pine tree if you had to, because in the dark it would be pretty good cover, and there was room to huddle together near the trunk.
You da bomb, Jake.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
There was actually a little complex of pine trees, impenetrable to an adult, in me neighbor's yard that I had all staked out. Other refuges included a delapitated barn in an old, scrubwood choked field, a culvert, and a series of hiding places in the woods.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
You're ... the male me.
When did we ever break in half? What happened? Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Keep in mind that your fingers never actually do touch. Actually, the electrons of the molecules making up one finger get close enough to repel the electrons of the other finger. They don't actually come into contact.
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
I thought he was the male me, but I remember having no such thoughts as a child.
On the finger thing, I seem to be able to feel it just exactly as soon as I can see them touch. It's almost like a switch flipping. Does this mean I'm blind? O_O
When I was a kid I used to lose myself for hours while playing alone. Then I would come back to reality and realize the bus had left (after school) or all the other kids had gone inside to class (during recess) or home to dinner (in the summer) or whatever. When I was in 1st and 2nd grade I would just go knock on the rectory door and tell Father Allen I Missed the Bus again and ask if he would take me home. He always did and never made me feel like it was an inconvenience.
When I was at the mall I always would get lost, because of how my attention could be captured and held by things. I'd look up and my mother was nowhere to be found. Or else I would have had some other lady's legs in the corner of my eye thinking that was my mom, and then looked up higher and realized it wasn't her at all. It happened almost every single time we went, so I learned to go to the record store whenever that happened, since that was the designated rendezvous point whenever we got lost in the mall. It happened so often that we had a system all worked out.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
Here's another question for you. Which finger do you feel the touch in first? Is it the finger or the thumb that is most sensitive? When I do feel them touch, I can't tell whether I'm feeling it through my thumb or my finger, I just know that they are touching. If I touch something else to one or the other, I know which is being touched.
I don't know. I'm trying it with my eyes closed now and it seems like I feel it in my forefinger first. I really have to think about it to differentiate between which is feeling what.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I feel it in my forefinger first, I think.
You know, I'm really astounded by how much I have in common with both of you, honestly, and with Porter too.
Posted by signal (Member # 6828) on :
I'm right there with you guys on the paranoid thing. I did the whole mental escape route thing. I still do sometimes. I'm also weird about having things near me or on me that I can grab to defend myself if someone tries to attack me. And when I'm in a restaurant, I absolutely can't sit with my back to the entrance or windows. Plus I always try to sit at the end of a booth or theater row so I can get out quickly. I feel trapped otherwise.
My brother and I used to "practice" stuff. Like we figured out how to break into our own house, which came in handy when we got locked out and didn't have a key. Or we'd boost each other onto really high stuff like they did in movies. I climbed out of our second story window one time to see what it was like to walk on the roof ( what was I thinking?). And one time we found a fire escape ladder in a closet and proceeded to "make sure it worked". Apparently the ladder was stronger than the dry wall surrounding the window.
For the whole finger thumb thing, My thumb feels my finger before they touch. I thought it was just because I could see them getting closer, but I still feel it with my eyes closed.
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
I used to plan out my fire escape route (out my window onto the roof of the family room, jump down onto the deck, and run from there) and I had to sleep facing the wall because I figured if some crazy murderer got into my room and tried to kill me, I'd rather not see him before I died. I would also make myself crazy if I was home alone, because I would hear normal house noises and think someone was breaking in.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
FG
![[Angst]](graemlins/angst.gif)
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[ROFL]](graemlins/rofl.gif)
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Frown]](frown.gif)
![[Monkeys]](graemlins/monkeys.gif)
![[Dont Know]](graemlins/dontknow.gif)
![[Wall Bash]](graemlins/wallbash.gif)
![[No No]](graemlins/nono.gif)
![[Hat]](graemlins/hat.gif)
![[Group Hug]](graemlins/grouphug.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
what was I thinking?). And one time we found a fire escape ladder in a closet and proceeded to "make sure it worked". Apparently the ladder was stronger than the dry wall surrounding the window.