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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
After Taalcon started his thread about Lost, the TV series, and there was a decent amount of interest in the program, I thought I'd start a discussion thread.

Feel free to post thoughts and comments below.

Edited for spelling

[ September 24, 2004, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: peterh ]
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I'll start:

What is that THING in the forest?!
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Why do people stick their head out of a plane when they know something big and scary is outside?
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
The only problem I've had with this show was that I knew as soon as they started climbing towards the cockpit that a body was gonna fall. And as soon as the pilot started breathing again, I knew he was going to die.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Why did what's his name pop out of the bathroom in the airplane like that? I'm suspicious.
 

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Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
Why was a CIA agent flying a plane??
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Tammy, did you notice that he brushed past "Jack", rushing to the front of the plane, right before the plane crashed. I had to review it a couple times before I was sure, but it was him.
 

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Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
But seriously...
Have any of you seen the anime series Evangelion? The thing in the forest sounded like a Eva gone bezerk. It had this strange, almost mechanical sound to it. I was thinking that maybe it was another dinosaur type deal... but I don't know. Why would dinosaurs tear up trees and not really eat their victims?
 

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Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
I bet there were drugs or something in the bathroom that Dom's character was trying to get to. Hmmmm...
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
No, I didn't notice that.

I thought he acted strange/odd when the girl was trying to place his face. It was almost like he was trying to hard to convince her of who he is...or who he wants her to think he is.


 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
The rock star character was doing drugs on the plane. He also did them on the way to the cockpit.

That will be, I am sure, one of the plot lines this year, his withdrawl from drugs, probably coke.

msquared
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
*keeps quiet until next week*
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Keeping quiet is not an option. This is a spoilers thread.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
See, if you have a friend as obsessed with Domonic Monaghan (I can even spell it) as I do, you would know what specificially Taalcon is keeping quiet about.

Personally I think the THING in the woods can go one of two ways:

1. It turns out to be extremely cheesy (dinosaurs, aliens, large monster with many heads, cylops etc) and we all fear for the sanity of the writer.

2. It could turn out to be very cool. In this case this requires a few more defining attributes and possibilities:
A: That there isn't anything in the woods at all. Cliched and kind of peters out rather quickly; not good for ongoing sagas such as tvs shows. Been done already in Lord of the Flies. This THING however seems, although invisible, seemingly solid.
B: That the THING ( I like it in capitals, I hope it's not bothering anyone) is somehow intelligent and/or interesting enough that, once revealed and if revealed, is able to become a important plor point later on, able to carry several episodes.
C: The thing in the woods is always invisible and they (the writers and director) somehow manage to carry off an endlessly people-mauling-and-depositing-in-tree prescence which no one ever sees.

I have a problem with this plot line. They are on a desert island of limited size. Several plot lines have been laid out, one for each character; a drug addiction, a pregnancy, a girlfriend in denial, a couple who don't speak English etc, but how long can this last? There are 48 characters. I suppose that could stretch, with up to two episodes per character, to 96 episodes, a lengthy sprawl for a weekly show.

But where does the plot go? They cannot be rescued, unless a rescue is thwarted by the THING (I love it, heh heh). They can try and escape but they must ultimately fail. The THING is the only unknown variable short of we've-fallen-into-another-dimension.

Therefore, the THING has a strong possibility of being significant enough to carry and entire plot line by itself. A simple monster in the woods ever-present danger doesn't seem to be complext enough. In order to make the show worthwhile, the THING must present to the 48 survivors, as they go through their various internal plots of births and deaths and attempts of escape, some challenge greater than a monster.

At least that's my opinion. Anyone care to state theirs?

(Also, I disliked the Jurassic Park feel. More than anything, Lost felt like Jurassic Park in the Lost World.)

EDIT: To make a question a statement.

[ September 24, 2004, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Well, seeing as I've seen next week's episode, which has defininite ANSWERS to a couple of the questions, I assume you want speculative spoilers apart from "This is what happens next week" spoilers.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Is more revealed about the THING?
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
A thing, but not The THING. There are more than one THINGS/things out there...

And the thing that is found certainly raises more questions than it answers...

[ September 24, 2004, 04:53 PM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Taalcon, feel free to reveal or not. No pressure. Seriously. I respect the fact that you've actually seen it and personally don't want to know that bad, yet.

As far as the THING goes, dinosaur seems like the logical choice, so I hope they don't use it. My wife really doesn't like that thread of the plot.

The number of characters isn't an issue to me. They can say that there's 48 and use 20 extras every episode and only concentrate on a few. Heck a few of the current survivors could easily die of injuries from the crash, in childbirth complications, being killed by the THING, etc.
 

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Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
 
And how did they lose communications and the ground lose them on radar? Off course or not we have many ways of finding a plane that went astray or crashed.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Ah, more than one THING, which technically adds interesting plot advances and multiples. Humans caught between other intelligences war. Humans being able to deal with one THING but not with a second or third (etc).

Judging from what Taalcon has revealed and his overall opinion of the show, I'd say that the THING about which information is revealed makes enough sense that enables him to say "This is good" rather than "this sucks."

EDIT: This means the THING they discover is somehow related to a larger question. Such as the only quote released from that episode which is, ominously, "Where are we?".

This leads me to believe (and I'm entering purely speculative ground here) that they discover something (the mysterious THING, which I;m now assuming is real) that makes them feel that they are not where they expected to be or that where they are does not fit into what they know about.

1. the whole fell though a wormhole thing, whether in time or in space. They are on earth but is not the earth they know, they are not on earth.

2. Some sort of on-world biological-weapon experiment (very Jurassic Park), or a variation thereof.

3. Aliens (sigh).

4. Undiscovered Island with undiscovered species cut off from the mainland long enough ago that the species are completely different. This is possible since we have seen no animals (other than the dog).

5. Ents Gone Wrong. Think Orcs vs. Elves, only with Ents.

*shrug*

Now I want to know. Heh.

ADDING ON: The title is, of course, the clue and the quote "where are we?" is completely indicative of that. They aren't just lost on a desert island with monsters, that is what I am now almost certain of.

They are lost somewhere where they are actually LOST, in the capital letters of the title. Now, this could be anywhere (see above) but they are most definately lost somewhere that outwardly seems like a desert island but definately isn't, or appears to definately not be.

It is, of course, possible still that it's all a dream.

Now I'm going to be mulling over a tv show when I'm supposed to be mulling over T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland or somesuch! grrrr!

[ September 24, 2004, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
OT

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Why would dinosaurs tear up trees and not really eat their victims?

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I had this problem with Resident Evil. If a zombie's only function is to perform the basic need of feeding, why is there always enough of the corpse left to have another fully functioning zombie? Shouldn't it be nothing but a skeleton?

/OT
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Good ideas teshi. Like telp said though, it had a very mechanical sound. Reminded me of Doc Ock's tentacles in a way.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oooo, mechanical creature. Very exciting.
 

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Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
 
I haven't seen the show, but can anyone tell me why this should have been made into a TV series instead of either a long miniseries or a real movie? What, is this going to become as endless as Gilligan's Island minus the comedy? I just don't see how you can take the premise and turn it into a TV series, I just can't.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
That's the problem. There must be something, revealed soon, that enables it to go on technically forever.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I can just see Teshi squirming and thinking, "the more I think about this, the more I want to know"



edited for spelling, again

[ September 24, 2004, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: peterh ]
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Here's an interview with the creator that's SURE to whet your appetite, and it's also pretty spoiler free too
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I refuse to read it! It's too annoying not knowing! Peterh is correct. I can't concentrate on To The Lighthouse when LOST and the THING are poking away at me!
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
The interview gives some ideas of directions the show may head, and where it WON'T head.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Good read Taalcon.

I'm more excited than ever to keep watching.

I'm fairly certain after reading that we won't be "seeing" the things in the trees.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I read it, darn you Taalcon. Darn you to heck! gah!

Right:

If I had the episode here I'd go over the episode line by line shot by shot but unfortunately I'm relying on a memory that is faded because the conditions in which I saw the episode were bad.

SO:

The creator states a few things. He too is bouncing up and down, but the other way around: he wants US to know, and he can hardly wait for it.

1. He says "strange south pacific island" instead of "island". This I am interpreting as the fact that it is on earth.

2. The island is not inhabited by humans as he says they have access to fish, game etc. Nor is it inhabited by anything intelligent enough to provide them with food.

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So will they divide up? Absolutely.

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I will say this -- the herd will be thinned, but that doesn't mean people have to die.

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Hmmmm. Fascinating that you'd ask this. I would say he TELLS people he's 26

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The audience is thinking the poor yahoo with one line is gonna die a gruesome and horrible death, but then it's the REGULAR who gets wiped out. It will be done. Watch and see.

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DL: I will not comment on whether or not we'll be meeting any other human beings on the island who were NOT on the plane. But I will posit this -- Who's to say we haven't already?

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Gah! Gah! Gah! Sometimes people who know stuff and don't tell me get on my nerves! This means that it's either complicated mechanical conspiracy or supernatural intervention. Someone planned this, for a reason.

Anyway, the point is that it's been one episode and I'm already bloomin' threorizing what is going to happen and why. I'm already thinking about the characters I know and sorting through them!

*weeps*
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
One last thing, then I am leaving: This better not be a huge sociological experiment.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
That would be evil on the part of the creators.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
*bump*

It's on again tonight!


 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I love this show! I'm on the edge of my seat! This was waaaaay better than last week! My favourite moment was the "Republican Guard" moment, closely followed by the revelation that the girl was the convicted and handcuffed one. (I'm tending towards believing that she is convicted but not guilty).

But why would the man-with-the-gun accept that he was the criminal. Perhaps because he actually was a criminal, or because he didn't want to argue?

A Polar Bear, eh? Creepy. As is the transmission that has been repeating for sixteen years, en francais. I'm speculating that this island, populated by Rather Odd Animals (which now can include dinosaurs and a variety of other very out-of-place critters) is a magnet for crashing planes, ships and other transport paraphanalia, and has been for the last 16 years at least.

I thought it was funny that the girl translated the message as "It has got them all," as opposed to "Him" which is how I would have translated it. "It" fits better, I guess, but still...

I really like the way this is unfolding- all the characters are falling into really interesting roles. None are boring.

I'm happy.
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Hehe... the ROAs. Good Acronym! We can use that in general to refer to the creatures, and THING to refer to The Big Guy That Got The Pilot.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Took me a while to figure out what you meant bu ROA's. Got it now.

I see what you mean by perfect timing. The commercials were well timed this time- I was riveted, as I said, and exclaiming as things were revealed.


 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
ROAs, the THING, perhaps well see some ROUSes.

The only problem I have is that I feel like this week ended with as many questions, if not more, than last week. I can't wait til next Wednesday.

I am thrilled that the roles are becoming more difficult to peg hole as good and bad.

Overall, my only fear is that becomes something of a "Lost World" sans dinos.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
I think that J.J. Abrams is talented enough to keep it from becoming a Lost World-y type of show. I am completely hooked.

One thing I didn't get is - what kind of drug is Merry taking? Orange cocaine?

I am so happy to see Matt Fox in a great lead role. He was on the Columbia football team that broke the loosing streak. I used to see him at Homecoming and he is just as good-looking and nice in person.
 

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Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
 

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Domonic Monaghan (I can even spell it)

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Nope, no you can't. But close bananas. (Dominic)

And now a pertinent contribution -- I am most intrigued by the Asians. I want to beat the guy, but I'm waiting for a twist. I'm also waiting to know what the heck they're saying.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I would guess that the drug of choice of the rock star would be heroin.

msquared
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I always did have problems with "Dominic/Domonic".

It was the "Monaghan" I was more 'proud' of .
 

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Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
The asian guy is Daniel Dae Kim. He seems to land in any show I like.

Crusade
Angel
24
CSI
And now Lost.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
The fact that Merry's ( I love that people can't separate him from that character) an addict is the important part, because he's likely to start going through withdrawls very soon. Unless this takes a format like 24 where time moves very slowly. It appears that not much more than a day and a half has passed on the show.

I'm not real worried about this turning into a "Lost World" since it seems to be more relationship driven than animal driven, but it would be an easy way to address the situation.

Anyone got any interesting theories on how a polar bear got there?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Ice floes?


 

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Posted by Little_Doctor (Member # 6635) on :
 
Moving Island?...Bermuda Triagle(or something like that)?

I missed most of it. I fell alseep, so i might not be filled in on many details.

The question I have is..Why was Kate in Hand Cuffs?!?
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
Anybody else see tonight's show?

I liked it, but I felt almost like too many of the questions were answered. Not that I won't watch it next week, but I felt there wasn't enough of an incentive to do so.

Of course, the preview of next week's show totally got me hooked again, even if the show itself didn't.
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
I don't think we've heard the end of Kate's stories, no matter what Mr. Hero may have said.

Mr. Backgammon is someone to keep your eye on. Just because he pointed out the Duality, the two sides of Light & Dark - does that mean that he's on the Light side?

We may be seeing a change in Mr. Psycho now - he realizes that his arrogance just led to more pain, rather than relief - and he didn't like that. It hurt him.

We still don't know ANYTHING about the Koreans.

I LOVED the Mr. Hero & Harry Knowles Jr exchange:
"Do you think it's Dinosaurs?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Because Dinosaurs are extinct."
"Oh. Right."

Dom and Pregnant Lady seemed to hit it off pretty well...
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
What's up with that Lab? I can't believe it had to be teased back to his boy with a dog whistle.

If our dogs landed on that island, two out of three would have found us immediately. The third, a beagle, would have been sniffing out the polar bears and the other creatures that go bump in the night.

Do you think the Koreans may be related, as in siblings? He's told her he loves her and has been sweet to her while she was sleeping. Could they just be brother and sister?
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I'm still in love with this show. Although we got a bit of resolution, there are still quite a few plot lines that we don't have anything close to closure on.

My favorite thing so far is the complexity of the characters. No one is simply good or bad.

And Tammy, I definitely think the Koreans are married.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I missed it!

Luckily, I think a friend may have recorded it...
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
They're a couple!
 

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Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
I think Mr. Backgammon is possibly racist. He seemed too focused on the whole "light/dark" thing ... as though that was part of his philosophy/world view ... I thought he might be in the KKK or something - where he had in the past taken action against black people and now might find out how wrong he's been.

Just a WAG.
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
I tend to think he was being a bit more philosophical than physical, Cay
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Locke is a fascinating character.

And now we know what the "miracle" was. Wow.

FABULOUS episode.
 

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Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
I work Wednesday nights and have to rely on getting the show taped. I haven't seen last week's or this week's show.

Go ahead with the spoilers, though. It gives me something extra to look for when I do get to see those episodes.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Okay what's up with the mysterious guy in the suit?

This is getting strange. I love it.

Commercials are getting out of hand. I was so annoyed at the amount of ads they showed last night.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I've only seen the first hour of the pilot (in the middle of the night last night), and they apparently landed on the Jurassic Park island.

Also, Merry is extremely hot with the intense eyes and scruffy beard.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Wait until he speaks, kat. . . That accent. . .

What? Oh. . .uh. . .GO REDSKINS! HOO-RAH!
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Yes Kat, he's a cutie.

*eyes Scott suspiciously*
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 794) on :
 
Damn this confusion. I've just discovered this thread and took a quick look at the "Lost" site and now i want to watch it! In-fact without ever having seen an episode i want to know what happens next week!

When does this baby come to the UK?

Curse you Hatrackers. Curse you for making me need to watch another imported show! Was 24 not enough?!!!
 

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Posted by Lost Ashes (Member # 6745) on :
 
Saw it for the first time last night and loved it.

But "The Island of Dr. Moreau" keeps going through my head...
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I love the Locke character. Note how his name is John Locke. I thought that was very cool. What I want to know is how Locke became so good with a knife. I'm also guessing he found the pig already dead.

But I want to know- what did he see and why doesn't he say? I want to know about the THING.

I'm assuming, that from the "next week on Lost" thing that the man in the suit is Jack's mind playing tricks on him (or something on the island playing tricks on him which is an interesting possibility) as he said "Dad?". The likelyhood of Jack's father or a lookalike of Jack's father actually being on the island is very small.

I liked how Jack wasn't caring at all and then Rose asked him if he became a doctor because he was so caring. Heh.

I didn't like the fishing business. I didn't understand- was (I nearly wrote Dom, I actually forget his 'real' name) Domonic Monaghan's character sad that he was being used by the annoying girl or was he just confused?
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
She is annoying isn't she Teshi. I couldn't figure out what the deal was there either.

The Korean wife is obviously interested in the kids dad.

Locke is interesting.

In next weeks previews didn't it show Locke seeing the man in the suit as well?

When Locke came in contact with the "whatever", he was definitely look UP, so it couldn't have been the boar he was looking at.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I want to know how Locke was able to not only stand up, but walk and run, after being in a wheelchair for 4 years. Does the fact that he not only got a miracle cure, but had 4 years of atrophy erased mean something or did the writers just decide not to deal with that?
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Maybe they just haven't dealt with it yet.

Hopefully there will be a reason for each and every scene they're so slowly showing us.

If not, I'm going to be sorely disappointed.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
I think whatever cured Locke's legs, could easily deal the atrophy. I won't mind if they don't specifically mention it.

Maybe the island has a supernatural quality - look for the pregnant lady's baby to cease moving again, only to mysterious come back to life.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oh, Foust, that's an amazing idea, I never considered that.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
What if they're all dead and in purgatory and working their way out????

That would explain Locke getting his legs back.

And oh the drama of the "Monster". It's driving me nuts [insert witty pirate joke] waiting to find out what it is. They can show the camera angle of a boar and the "Monster" hows about the guy looking at it already!!!
 

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Posted by Risuena (Member # 2924) on :
 

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What if they're all dead and in purgatory and working their way out????

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I've actually been wondering if they're dead as well. The one woman's comment about her husband not being dead and then saying that those who died probably think everyone on the island is dead struck me as odd. And then combining that with Locke and his miracle...
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
The Koreans are brother and sister, not husband and wife.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 


Okay I suspected that, once, then was swayed by the above link.


 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I has assumed that Locke got the use of his legs back by the shock of the crash knocking something into a different position. The more I think about it, though, the more that doesn't really sound feasible. The miracle cure that also took care of the atrophy actually sounds more plausible.
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
Does anybody have a full synopsis-like thing of this week's episode? I forgot to record it, and, while this conversation is sort of helpful, I'm not really following it.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
There are summaries posted on ABC's website usually the day after the episode airs.

Looks like the Koreans are definitely married.

OMG!!! I can't wait til next week!!!

This may be the first series I buy on DVD.
 

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Posted by Godric (Member # 4587) on :
 
Heh... I haven't seen an episode yet and I really have no intention to, but I'm pretty sure reading this thread is much more entertaining than watching the program itself.



How about: They're all unwittingly part of a new reality show? Something of a cross between Fear Factor and Survivor?


 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I suspect that the Koreans are either just married via an arranged marriage, or were about to be married via an arranged marriage.

His comment last night, "That's what a husband does," and her reaction to it lead me to believe this.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Da Goat, try www.televisionwithoutpity.com - they'll have a short, short summary sometime today, and full on recap later this week.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
The whole hallucination thing brought the episode to the perilous brink of silliness... I hope they avoid that in the future.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Was it completely a hallucination though? His father's coffin was empty.

BTW, what kind of cheap coffin did he get that you can demolish it with a stick?
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I wasn't as thrilled with last nights episode as I wanted to be.

*laughs* For some reason I really got freaked with the doll in the water, until of course they showed the doll trail and where it led.

So...why is the coffin empty? Hmmmmm?

Those Koreans...*shakes head*...they're certainly confusing me.

I didn't like what they did to Mr. Pretty Eyes, making him steal the water. Why did they have to do that?

Next week looks promising.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I get way too much into this show than I should. Last night wasn't brilliant but it was definately good enough to tide me over until next week.

My favourite part was when Jack appeared during the fight and everyone fell quiet. Hooray!
Oh, and I also liked the interaction between Dom's Character and the Pregnant Lady (Claire?)


 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I like the "new" Locke.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Yeah, the doll in the water really freaked me out, too. I was mildly disappointed with the explanation for it.

That's my worry with this series - so many awesome mysteries, so many questions... can the answers possibly live up to my expectations?
 

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Posted by IdemosthenesI (Member # 862) on :
 
DAMN YOU HATRACK!

I was happily ignorant of the entire bittorrent community until the other day when somebody posted a lik to the torrent of Jon Stewart on Crossfire. Now, somebody reccomended torrenting Lost. You know what? I did. Now I don't know how I will ever be free of the torrent!

www.isohunt.com by the way, is where I found it. You will not be able to do this without broadband, people. The files are 300+ mbegabytes, but the quality is amazing! It is, I believe, the full HD file, so it's better than DVD. Just search for Lost and click Torrents. You must have bittorrent installed.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
*dies*

I LOVE this show!

Favourite bit: When Dom's character (I still can't remember his name!) gave up his cocaine or whatever for his guitar.

Okay, new development seems to be John Locke's "understanding" of the Island. You've got to give it something and there is his guitar. Was that just because Locke already knew that the guitar was all right, or was it literally "magic"? Hm, perhaps this ties in with whatever Locke "saw" when he saw the THING.
 

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Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
 
ARGH! Why do I always forget to record it! Now I'm going to have to wait for a Saturday repeat again.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I think Locke knew along the guitar was there. I don't think he even looked up when he pointed it out to Charlie.

Has Matthew Fox's character been in every flashback scene involving the airport or the plane? He was standing at the ticket counter during the Korean couple's flashback.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I was happy to learn some of the Korean couples history. I love the fact that she spoke English.

I'm sure Locke saw the guitar before he told Dom's character. His name is Charlie? Why do I keep thinking Matthew Fox's name is Charlie? Was that his name on "Party of Five"?

The rest of the show...

I'm worried that the show's season will come to an end with important info still out there untold.

Step it up a bit there Mr. Producer!
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Did anyone notice the book the one guy was reading?

Watership Down.

And do not expect all the secrects to come out. Why would we ever want to come back if we knew everything.

msquared
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
You're right about the secrets. I guess I'm just impatient. I'd like the show to be two hours instead of one.
 

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Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
It is getting curiouser and curiouser... Some great moments in the recent episode, but not as much about the island as I had hoped.

The married Korean couple is making more sense now, and they have quite a story behind them.

I just wish there had been a bit more suspense in this one. There just wasn't that floating menace of the monster in the jungle.

But I'll keep happily watching.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I think the menace in the jungle would get old if they kept playing it up every week.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Who was reading Watership Down?

I guess that doesn't bode well for the people who stayed on the beach...
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
The guy who is sort of the criminal type. The one who shot the polar bear. He was reading it when the spoiled blonde came up and asked for some bug spray or something.

I recognized the cover.

msquared
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
I downloaded this, but it wigged out halway through.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
That guy was reading Watership Down?

Wow. Curiouser and curiouser. That little detail makes me think about that character in a whole new way.

If it's a throwaway detail that means nothing, I'll feel cheated.
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
Have you noticed that every single episode (exclusing episode 2, which is really just the second half of the pilot) begins with an extreme close-up of a character's eye? I think this is a really cool stylistic detail. I kinda hope they keep it up.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wow Taalcon, you're observant! I wonder if that's just style or if it has some "other" meaning...
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
More character development and less island development make for a better show in the long run, but I'm ready for some more detail about the island.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Ahhhhhh! What or who hit Sayid? I loved this episode and Taalcon, I watched for they eye thing and it was there! I love this show to bits!

I love Locke, too. He's so cool.

*happy*

There is only one possibility for Sayid's assailant: someone else on the island not from their plane crash. Which is good news for the tranciever and bad news for our group.

This island is pretty magic, eh? Just when Charlie conquers himself, escape is offered. Locke's convincingness makes me think that when he came face to face with the THING he learnt something that the rest of them don't know.

Looks good! Looks very good!
 

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Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
It was nice to see slime-ball Sawyer pull through when he needed to, I didn't think he was going to. And the ditzy girl, too. Looks like next weeks episode is centered around Sawyer, so maybe we get to see what makes him such a slime bucket.

I LOVE that there are enough characters in this show that it takes a while to get to know them all. I didn't really think that Charlie was going to do much more than babble about his stupid band and look good. I'm glad i was pleasantly surprised. Dom is a pretty good actor, it's nice to see him as something other than comic relief or eye candy. Not that i'm objecting to the eye
candy.

Ni!
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I really like Locke as well! That Mr. Mysterious thing he has going on is intriguing.

The first thing that came to my mind when Sayid? got bonked on the head was that the slime ball Sawyer was trying to get rid of him...

Then I remembered the firecracker! Hmmm?

(((Charlie))) Love that little guy.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
My first thought was that it was Locke that whacked him.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oh. My. Goodness.

1. Sayid was a torturer?! I was shocked but I'm glad that they gave him a chance to redeem himself.
2. I guess we saw why Sawyer is why he is but he's still a terrible person.
3. I loved the Claire/Charlie Peanut Butter thing. I really like their relationship. I have a feeling that Claire's baby might also help "heal" Sawyer.

Scenes from Next week: I'm terrified. Absolutely terrified. The inrony is wonderful though, that in order to escape his past as a torturer and murderer, Sayid is tortured himself.

Is this the French woman with the message or someone else gone mad with the waiting. Why does she have electricity and devices useful for torture apparantly already set up?

*dies*
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Yeah, this episode rocked. I want to see what they do with Sawyer's character real bad now - redemption for him would give me a big 'ol happy.
 

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Posted by FoolishTook (Member # 5358) on :
 
<---has a crush on Sayid.
 

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Posted by Vána (Member # 6593) on :
 
I love this show so much!!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Who bets next week is Sayid's backstory?

*shudder* This is going to be so painful. For him and us.
 

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Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 
"Sayid was a torturer?! I was shocked but I'm glad that they gave him a chance to redeem himself."

I loved the the line

"I thought you were a communications officer"

"Part of my training was getting people to communicate"

LOL

I really can't stand Sawyer...I was hoping that it was the end of him when he got stabbed. I have a feeling that he will end up with the girl now.

Also, who gets tortured just so he can make out with a girl? Sure, she is amazingly gorgeous...but getting tortured? Thats a bit much.
 

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Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
 
<-------- has a crush on Sawyer.

I think his defiant behavior stems from all the assuming the "better" people keep doing. What's his face (Mr. Pretty Eyes) assumed that Sawyer had the meds because he had the book, and everyone else assumed Mr. Pretty Eyes was right because they all already hate Sawyer. But, I think that if any one of them had simply asked nicely whether or not he had the meds, he might have actually been nice about it. Of course, there's no drama in that. I contend that Sawyer is not a terrible person. Just a tortured person who has done terrible things. I think redemption is in the cards at some point. (I also want him and Kate to hook up, but that's just because I've been reading a lot of smut lately.)

*and I'm back in my cage*
 

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Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
 
Okay, I have a hunch how the first season is going to end. Granted, I've only seen parts of the pilot, but here it is, anyway:

The season will end with all the remaining characters managing to the leave the Island and returning to civilization...only to find everything deserted.

Suddenly, the term "lost" takes on a whole new meaning.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
That would be extra-frigging extraordinary.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I love this series.

Sa'id rocks. I hope they don't kill him off. My guess is that one of the big guys will be killed off; I vote for the prissy girl's brother, as he's just annoying. Or the Korean girl.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I thought they should keep Sawyer from getting any water when he came to the caves. After all, possession is 9/10ths of the law.

My opinion of Jack changed knowing that he was OK with the torture. He did stop it, but he let it start. It's a good thing. Perfect people don't exist and Jack shouldn't be the perfect guy.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Am I the only one who thinks Locke was the one who hit Sayid? Why has no one questioned the whole "he used a cigarette as a timer so he could beat up Sayid?" Seems weird to me.

Also, when did we decide Sayid was a torturer? Did I miss something? My husband was in "communications" in the army. He never tortured anyone.

And just so's y'all know, this might be a sneak peak at what Sayid's background story is.

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In 1995, several military officers of the al-Dulaymi tribe from western Iraq staged a coup attempt in May. Hussein tortured and executed the participants, then returned their mutilated bodies to their kinsmen. In response, a Republican Guard battalion led by outraged al-Dulaymi military officers attacked the Iraqi prison at Abu Gharayb. Two loyal Republican Guard brigades defeated the rebels, but Hussein was disturbed by the fact that some of his normally loyal Republican Guards had turned against him. A purge of the Republican Guards followed in July.

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"I thought you were a communications officer."

"Part of my training was getting the enemy to communicate."

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My husband was in "communications" in the army. He never tortured anyone.

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Your husband, I'm assuming, wasn't in the Republican Guard.

Is it Sayid or Sa'id? Or can it be both? I didn't know so I wrote it phonetically.
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
I really hate that I like this show so much. Like I really needed another "must see" show. That makes, let's see, four now. This must stop.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
It wasn't one of the plane crash survivors who hit Sayid - there are other people on the island. I think it's the French woman from the broadcast.

Sawyer is an amazing actor - the look on his face when he realized that he had a son and he was about to do to his son what (real) Sawyer did to his family. It blew me away. I wonder what his real name is.

The creators have said that at least 1 major character will be killed off this season. I think it'll be Kate.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Nah there are too many men on the island it's got to be a man.
 

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Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 

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I hope it is Sawyer. He really annoyes me.

It will also prevent him from ending up with Kate. That would just be very wrong.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
I have asthma, and trust me, I really felt bad for the poor girl. I can only imagine the hell it would be to be permanatly without my medication, and I wouldn't bat an eye at torturing someone to get it back.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
I love this show now. I am addicted...and I cant wait to see the next one. I guess we'll probably hear Sied's (Sayed or however you spell it) side of the story since it looks like he is gonna be the focus of next week...maybe. I CAN'T WAIT!

is it bad to be this addicted to a show?
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Mrs. M, here you go.

The IMDB lists Sayid's name as Sayid. Also, that's the way it's spelled on abc.com.

Tammy, no kidding! And she kissed him a second time! I was really mad about that.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 

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Why has no one questioned the whole "he used a cigarette as a timer so he could beat up Sayid?" Seems weird to me.

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I have asthma, and trust me, I really felt bad for the poor girl. I can only imagine the hell it would be to be permanatly without my medication, and I wouldn't bat an eye at torturing someone to get it back.

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Oh, believe me, I felt horrible for her. I have three children that have different degrees of Asthma. It's one of my nightmares to be somewhere without access to medication. It's hard for me to watch when scenarios like this are shown.

If they found Eucalyptus leaves so easily on this island, they apparently didn't make it very far from the Land of Oz. Then again, they've come across a Polar Bear, so I'd expect anything to show up on this island.

As bad as Sawyer acts, I still can't get around the fact that he is very easy on the eyes!
 

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Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
I think Sawyer's deal is that he's being the bad guy, because it is honestly the only role he knows how to play. Somewhere in his past he learned that the only way to not be the victim was to do unto others first.

Locke, well, I sure don't want to see him become the bad guy. I really don't think he has it in him.

My bet is that the one who whacked Sayid is one of the characters that hasn't been fully developed yet. It would be a natural lead in.

Can't wait to hear the story on the overweight guy. He's been in the storyline quite a bit, but hasn't developed yet.

[ November 12, 2004, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: Sopwith ]
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I thought that one of the creators said in an early interview that not all of the people on the beach were survivors of the plane crash. So far we have seen most of the people on the plane or in the airport.

However, we never did see Sawyer on the plane or the airport.

We have not seen the big guy yet either.

As to the leaves the Korean lady found. Have you noticed how they seem to find things that they need. I wonder what the cost is going to be.

msquared
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
I think the ones we have seen so far are from the airplane. I would think they would be making a bigger stink if they just appeared on the island! My thought on the "not all from the airplane" is that there are others on the island, survivors of others crashes or similar situations. It seems this island has been doing its thing for quite some time (based on the bodies in the cave).

As for not showing everyone on the plane...I think the show is a metaphor for escape and running from problems but the plane doesn't have to be the biggest part of it. I think it is cool that they are coming to grips with the reality that they shouldn't have survived the crash at all based on how it went down.

I wonder why they haven't deal with or had more of the odd critters since the beginning? We had a polar bear (a wimpy one...not many handguns could take down a bear of any stripe) and what apparently was Godzilla or a T-Rex or something. It was stomping around at the beginning and freaking people out and now only some niggling twigs snapping from time to time when someone wanders through the forest. Has there been a big critter sighting since Locke looked eye to eye with one?
 

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Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
I think as someone said earlier that if they play up Monster-land TOO much, that's all the show's going to be about. I'd much rather have the amazing character development that we have now instead of a critter every week.

And besides, how often does a critter that big need to eat, anyway? It munched up the pilot, so it might be full for a few days.

Ni!
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
It didn't so much gobble up the pilot as gore him to death and then leave him suspended on tree branches, still pretty much in tact. So i'm guessing the big guy is still pretty hungry.

I just gotta say, though, that it seems like Locke is now connected to this island, in a way that almost makes him like...it's mouthpiece. He has this eerie aura of omniscience about him -- for instance, it seemed pretty clear to me that Locke *knew* something about Sayid's past as a torturer -- which is why he instigated him into getting mad at Sawyer, which led Sayid to torture and then try to kill Sawyer, which led to Sayid then needing a spiritual journey to map out the island. Seems like the island is using Locke to carry out its wishes.

Also, my initial thought was that the island was sort of a magical place that, for want of a better phrase "cures what ails ya"...hence Locke's miracle. But since the blonde girl still has asthma -- it can't be that. So my new theory is that Locke was chosen by the island to be healed and thus an instant convert to its creepy way of healing people mentally...or something...

:0)
 

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Posted by zip (Member # 4710) on :
 
The theory my family has been kicking around is that the monster became locke the last time we saw it. That way the monster/island can interact with the castaways as a human. Another thing that we have been kicking around is when sayeed said that the french distress call had been going for 60 years. 60 years ago i don't think they had automated distress calls or voice synthesisers. Maybe they are in the future and the island has resurected them a couple of times. Maybe they set up the distress call and bodies they found were there own from that last time they were resurected. My speculations usually turn out to be wrong, but i keep trying.
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
16 years -- they definitely say 16. It's funny that your whole family misheard it, though. Usually there's one person who hears the alternative...*ponders* i find that really interesting, actually.

I love your Monster=Locke theory, though
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
I don't think it would really be that hard for some of the people on the beach to not be from the plane. After all, how many times have you or I memorized all the faces sitting in our section of a plane or other mode of public transportation, so that we would know by sight five minutes after we got off the plane (or other vehcile) exactly which folks in the terminal were on it with us or not on it? Add in the confusion that would be inherent in surviving (or seeming to survive, for those of you who think they didn't) a catastrophe of that sort, and it would seem to me that sneaking a few others into the crowd wouldn't be that difficult.

Also...I, too, think it is possible that Locke made some kind of accomodation with, or was "possessed" by the island/the thing on the island when he saw it. Remember that line, that he had "looked into the heart of the island, and it was beautiful". Something happened there. I thought at the time that it was an unusual choice of words.

Just my two cents'; I'm terrible at figuring this sort of thing out.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ok what a night.

I was sure that the lady would be dead by the end of the show.

And it was D'Lenn from Bab5.

msquared
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
The seemingly bad science of this show turned me off at first. I'm really glad I gave it another chance. Personally, I think they're on a holodeck. It seems like any time they think about something, it happens. Ex, Charlie in the cave declaring himself a rock god just before the cave in. Or the moth motif.

As for last night, do we need to fear for Sayid's sanity now that he's hearing the whispers, too? And what has Alex been doing all this time alone on the island avoiding his crazy mother? Where did that wire go, anyway? Is she plugged in to the mainland? Now I'm just praying the writers aren't idiots who will undo all the wonderfulness of the characters with bad science or cheesy plot twists.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I knew that I recognized her. I just couldn't place her.

She must be getting supplies from somewhere other than the electricity. I don't think sedatives like she shot Sayed up with would still be good after 16 years. I've never had a light bulb last 16 years either. Of course, I might just be too picky.
 

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Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
I just saw it for the first time last night and, while I found it entertaining, my main complaint is that the people on the island are way too clean and presentable. If they've been on the island for anything more than a couple days, their hair and clothes are going to be very disheveled and dirty.

On that note, the makeup on the actors really needs to be toned waaay down or just done away with completely. It's really making it hard for me to get into the show.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 

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If they've been on the island for anything more than a couple days, their hair and clothes are going to be very disheveled and dirty.

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Yeah, that was nice.

As a fat person, I gotta love it when my fellow fatties represent.

[ November 18, 2004, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Storm Saxon ]
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Do you suppose something is up with the guy with the rash? Do you think maybe he has the beginning of the disease the French woman was referring to?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
O.o
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Oh dear...this better not turn into another Zombie Island movie.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I wonder if anyone will believe Sayid. After all, when Jack asks him to take him to meet Danielle, Sayid would have to say he's not sure he could find her again. He was unconcious the first time she brought him there. (Although it must be close to the trap. He's pretty good size and she's not a big girl.) He wandered wounded and in the dark through a forest with very few landmarks.
 

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Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
 
Have they established that Sayid is Iraqi? Because they sure hinted very strongly in the flashbacks,it seemed to me, that he was in Iraq, what with all that talk of the 'Republican Guard'.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Yeah, he said he was in the Iraqi Republican Guard during the first episode.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
What about the cable leading into the ocean?

The Black Rock?

The things that go bump in the night that aren't Polar Bears?

"There's no such thing as monsters!"

I wonder why Sayid didn't try to pick her brain a little more? I think they'll believe Sayid. He's one of the more trusted ones. Now if Sawyer came back with the same story I'm sure they'd have a hard time believing it.

Darn that Sawyer. For some reason they're trying to make him more attractive each week. I completely understand Kate. Of course I'd love her to freak everyone out and go for Sayid. I like him to.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
All he has to do is take them to the cable. That will prove everything.

Follow the cable with a large group.

I am still not conviced that Sayeed will make it back to camp. We now know more then the others, which adds to our suspense. If he makes it back alive and is able to report, our suspense is lessened because the characters know as much as we do what is out there.

Part of why we love suspense shows is that we love knowing more than the characters do. Not too much, but enough to go "You stupid idiot, don't go out in the woods alone."

msquared
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
Surely you can't pluck a cable out of the ocean and power your tree house?

She's a scientist, right? I had a telephone call during part of her conversation with Sayid, so I'm sure I missed something important. Didn't she say they were on a research boat? The boats instruments started acting strange?

Okay...might the black rock be a meteorite?
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Tammy that is what I mean. No matter how crazy the story he tells them, if he takes them to the cable, then they should be inclined to believe him.

Of course the island seems to grant wishes. Maybe she wished the cable into existance.

This reminds me of that Star Trek episode. I hope it is not like that.

msquared
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 
I don't think the island grants wishes. I think something is up with Locke. I think he's been invaded by body snatchers.

She said something about "they control it now"? What was that about? Was she talking about the cable? (Darn that phone call) Maybe there's something or someone that lives in the water?

Love this show!
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
If he can make his way back to camp, he should be able to lead them to her hideout. He was unconscious going in, but not leaving. I don't know that he will, though.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Man, I get so into this show when I'm watching it. I can't remember the last time a TV show actually elevated my heart rate a little from the suspense. Good stuff

Though I was a little disappointed with Sayid about the tripwire. I was actually yelling at the TV when he bent down to peer at it, "Back way off and then throw a stick at it, you moron!" Ah well.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 

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I just saw it for the first time last night and, while I found it entertaining, my main complaint is that the people on the island are way too clean and presentable. If they've been on the island for anything more than a couple days, their hair and clothes are going to be very disheveled and dirty.

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I am still not conviced that Sayeed will make it back to camp. We now know more then the others, which adds to our suspense. If he makes it back alive and is able to report, our suspense is lessened because the characters know as much as we do what is out there.

Part of why we love suspense shows is that we love knowing more than the characters do. Not too much, but enough to go "You stupid idiot, don't go out in the woods alone."

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I totally disagree and have never understood this point of view.

If one character knows a vital piece of information, and for some reason the other characters do not learn this information, it frustrates me to NO END. I sit through the story just waiting for the other characters to find out.

I really do see it as cheap filler. Sayid needs to get back to the rest of the group, and the group needs to find the cable and the shelter, if not the woman, because she could relocate.

If this information is kept form the group, then I'm going to become frustrated and bored, the furthest thing from suspense. And if it's kept up for more than an episode or two, I'll lose interest in the show entirely and stop watching.

[ November 18, 2004, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Foust ]
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Throw a stick at it? If he did that, nothing would have happened and he would have felt confident and still stepped into the trap. The line wasn't the trap, it was the feint.

Anyway, I don't think there is a "disease" per se. I think that some of the Research team that Danielle says were "diseased" were probably at peace with the island like Locke. Locke is pretty much at peace with the island and has seen, in his words, the "heart" of the island. Could this be "the Black Rock?"

I don't think Sayid is done with Danielle yet. If he starts to think in her way, he might become a foil to the main group and ally with her. Maybe. He won't be going back the same way that he left it, though, that is for sure.

I don't think the rash was anything more than what doc called it, just basic hives from stress. They used it like: "hey doc, this rash just got bigger and...hey, are you guys playing golf? Can I play?" He then forgot about his rash and thus Hurley is proven to be yet again the soul of the group in a way that Jack hasn't been able to be so far.

On a side tangent, my wife has been reading more on this show than I have. Apparently the creators wanted to kill Jack off in the first episode after setting him up as the de facto leader and then whammo, take him out to put the audience off guard. Obviously someone had other thoughts and he is in for the long haul (at least for the near future...we got sweeps to get through at some point). If they had done that, which character would have been the "leader" of the party? I think taking Jack out would have changed the dynamic of the characters quite a bit.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Wow, what a great opening scene. The baby running through the forest sent chills down my spine.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I liked this episode!

I didn't quite clue in that the psychic had planned that she die and I totally made a fool of myself in front of the ever-growing crowd of Lost-addicts that now populate my House.



How come the Canadian was evil?! He must be the french woman's son- no wonder he said "Ontario" and not "Canada"- we even had a discussion as to who says that in real life, gah! There were so many clues- his general dishevelled look is worse than the others and the t-shirt he was wearing was far too big.

I guess for them moment Locke isn't the bad guy- perhaps they made him look bad as a red herring. Grrrr.

Anyway, this was a good episode. Not too frightening but very very gripping. I loved the interatction between Charlie and Claire and I'm terrified for them for next week...

I still can't believe that psychic!

Also: Was her baby destined to become another hitler if she didn't bring him up. At least now she can't give him (or her- for saome reason I think of her child as a son) away for adoption .
 

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Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
I'm not sure the Psycic meant for her to die, I think he saw the island, and that she waould HAVE to take care of the baby, or let it die.

Ni!
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
I never really thought Locke was evil. Just strange. I always thought he was sympathetic.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
You never saw Millennium, did you?
 

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Posted by Zan (Member # 4888) on :
 
I don't think Ethan was Danielle's son. He seemed to old for that.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
The psychic said the baby needed her goodness as an influence while he was growing up. I think Ethan is Danielle's son, but he's been taken over by some kind of evil force. (The dark heart of the island, maybe?) I think he's going to try to take the baby away from Claire and she can't let that happen.

The only thing that bugged me was Sayid running through the forest at the end. I kept waiting for him to burst out of the woods and run into Claire and Charlie. Instead he just showed up back at the caves. We saw him running why?
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
I'm downloading this week's and last week's even as I type.

I left a bunch downloading while i went out of town for the holiday, and Ron and I have been watching them this week. We're only up to the sixth episode (we'll probably watch six, seven and eight tonight).

This is a really good show.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
No kidding.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
drat. I was staying away from this show because I insanely fast I got hooked on Survivor when it first began. (Something about the island stranded thing that gets me I guess.) Anyway, my sister has started watching it and I walked in on the last half of last night's episode.

and now I want to know what happens next. I guess you can welcome me to the discussion thread.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Have y'all read the diary on the abc site?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
(Does Sawyer remind anyone else of Viggo Mortensen? Mmmm)
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
That hadn't occurred to me. I agree that he's yummy.
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Yeah, I got the Viggo 'look' though he doesn't have the Viggo 'vibe' - maybe it's just me, but Viggo has a more mature, calmer... aura, I guess. Sawyer's just trying to be tough. Or, maybe he really is a jerk. At least he's not a cookie-cutter, standard jerk/bad boy.
 

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Posted by Zan (Member # 4888) on :
 
kat, I read through the diaries. Is the person writing some nameless survivor or is it someone known. I thought at first she was the girl with asthma, but the diary didn't mention that.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Did you see Locke's face when Sayeed made it back? I do not think that he is happy about this.

I thought that Ethan might be Alex. It looks pretty intense next week.

Ok the creators and actors have all said that one of the major characters will die by the end of the season.

Who will it be?

My money is on Charlie.

msquared
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
NOOOOOOOO!!! *sniff* I love Charlie.

The diary is written by one of the red-shirts, I heard.
 

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Posted by Zan (Member # 4888) on :
 
It scares me a bit that I knew immediately what a red-shirt referred to.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Anyone on a message board hosted by a sci-fi/fantasy author will know what a red shirt is. So don't feel too bad.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I don't.


 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
It's a Star Trek reference. On that show, whenever there was an away team with some random guy in a red shirt, you knew he was going to die.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
I just hope the fatted calf to buy it in the end isn't Hurley. He is fast becoming a favorite of mine on the show. I love that he is very smart and a good leader but is comfortable giving the good ideas to those who are assumed "in charge" of things.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
*Bumpity*

I almost the the hobbit was a goner.
 

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Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 
so did I...I was sure that was the end for him

I wonder what Locke found...I'm thinking it is a hatch to some sort of tunnel system.

and Evangeline Lilly(Kate) Wow. Thats all I have to say on that subject.
 

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Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
 


I haven't been this excited about a tv show...in quite a while.
 

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Posted by Zan (Member # 4888) on :
 
I think kat is a seer. They mentioned red shirts last night.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
That was very coincidental Zan.

kat, are you watching advance copies of the episodes?
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Hey I was the one that mentioned Charlie being the victim. I was sure I was right for a while. It made so much sense.

I am sure of it now. The island grants wishes. Watch the backgammon scene between the boy and Hurley. The boy wishes for double 6's and gets them. He wishes for a 4 and 3 and gets them. Earlier Charlie wished for his guitar and it showed up. I am sure Locke wished he could walk and now he can. Jack wished for his father and there he was, sort of.

Jack feels responsible for his Dad's death. My guess is that the fathers carrer was ruined by the law suite and he went to Sydney to drink himself to death.

I like Locke. He tells it to you straight but accepts your choices. Look at Jack. Locke had very sound reasons for asking Jack to turn back(only trained doctor) but did not argue when Jack did not go back. This will cause conflict later on becuase I expect at some point he will expect some one to live with a choice they made and now do not want to live with the consequences.

msquared
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Yeah, the wish granting is starting to make sense. Charlie probably really was dead.

Now, assuming that Ethan (and "they") believes the island grants wishes, why does he want a pregnant woman?

And wow, Ethan beat the snot out of Jack. It wasn't just because Jack was disoriented - it really looked like Ethan totally outclassed him.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I had the thought, while it was happening that Ethan must have had some sort of military training.

It was not part of the main plotlines, but it was nice to see Sawyer acting decent to Hurly and Sayid.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ethan lifted Charlie off the ground to hang him. He is stronger than he looks. However, I agree, Jack looked like he was a punching bag against Ethan. Ethan moved with alot of confidence.

I also like when Locke told the other guy what he did for a living.

That could be me.

msquared
 

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Posted by Popcornbaby (Member # 7046) on :
 
The wish thing is starting to make sense, but there's one time I can think of when they wished for something and it didn't happen. Remember when Claire really wanted peanut butter and Charlie couldn't find any for her?

Also, now I know that if anyone looks dead, just beat him on the chest until he starts breathing again.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 

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kat, are you watching advance copies of the episodes?

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I made a wish.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 





 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
Was there a preview for the next episode? If so, anyone mind telling what they saw.

PLEASE!!!!
-leonide begs
 

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Posted by Zan (Member # 4888) on :
 
I don't think there was one. I remember waiting for it, but didn't see it. Next week, they're showing the first two episodes back-to-back. I'm guessing it might be a while before a new episode comes out.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
December is all repeats.

It starts back up in early Jan. being a lead in for the new Alias episodes, both on Wednesday nights.

msquared
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
I think that's terrible of them to kidnap Claire, not show her to us at all last episode, and then not show another new episode for three weeks. At least I'll get to see the first half of the pilot now. The plane crash is supposed to be great.

On the bright side, I loved the Sayid/Sawyer conversation. Real progress from both of them. And the Hurley/Walt backgammon game was classic. When Hurley said, "Back home, I'm know as something of a warrior myself," all I could think was, "Yeah, a Jedi maybe." Great episode.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I'm actually glad they're reshowing all the earliest episodes, because (I think) it exactly covers all the ones I haven't seen yet--I think the first ep I saw was the one with Sawyer's backstory, whatever number that was. So yeah, I'm glad I get to see it from the beginning.

And I bet Hurley's "warrior" status is D&D-related He's definitely my favorite character.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
I am so glad that Andrew wasn't home when I watched the last episode, because I had such a hormonal crying fit when they were trying to revive Charlie that I scared myself. I became completely hysterical when they brought him back to life.

I love Locke. I love Hurley. I love Sawyer.

I don't think it looks good for Claire and her spawn, but I loved her episode.

Jack should not be taking any risks with his own life. Locke is right - as the only trained physician, his is the most important person on the island.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"Locke is right - as the only trained physician, his is the most important person on the island."

I don't see that it matters all that much, since the island's properties apparently make it possible to revive people who've been hung by the neck for at least five minutes by merely pounding with gross severity on their chest.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
And grunting.

Can't forget the grunting-- that's important.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Lost is back- and in what style. Mon dieu!

First, I think "what's in the case" closely followed by "what's in the envelope" closely followed by "what the heck?" was the main theme this week. Surely, surely that little plastic aeroplane is not just of sentimental value. If it was just of sentimental value it would not be locked in a safety deposit box, let alone Kate's injuries/murders (?) to get at it.

I cannot speculate.

Also I think everyone guessed what the words- from a song or a poem- were but the french translation of Beyond the Sea? Very evocative- being beyond the sea is an interesting concept, and obviously one that preoccupied Danielle (the French woman).

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Happy we'll be beyond the sea
And never again I'll go sailing

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A madwoman's delusions or a madwoman's revelation? Does this imply they'll never get off the island or is it merely a conveninent song that gets us thinking.

Also, what's with the tides changing. What in the world causes a dramatic tide shift and massive sudden beach erosion? Someone suggested volcanic action, but I don't know if that could change tides by rearranging the sea bed, at least without some sort of indication (like an eruption).

Finally, I liked Rose's councilling of the weeping Charlie.

All in all a fantastic episode.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Can y'all help me out?

I only caught the last 15 minutes. Was there any speculation on Claire? And how did Charlie regain his wits?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I was truly annoyed that someone as obviously capable and sharp as Kate wouldn't want Jack to see a little toy airplane. If he had opened the case with her, she could have said "that is MY personal effect, please, may I have it?" He would have given it to her. All of that needless suspense was just to manipulate us and I hate it when writers do that. What a letdown.

I'm interested to see the Sahid/blonde chick thing pan out (especially considering next week's preview) and to see if Charlie finds religion. I'm addicted to this show, but I'm annoyed by the way the writers write for the thrill factor...sometimes it's thrilling (like what in the HECK is going on with Claire? That's suspense.) But when it turns out to NOT be thrilling and we waited an hour to be really let down...well, that's just a waste of my adrenaline.

I will watch next week though. I'm stuck. *sighs at own lack of will power*
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I'm glad they finally got around to tying up some loose ends, and plan to do more next week. We haven't seen Rose in a long time, and they forgot about the papers that Sayid brought back from Danielle's camp for awhile.

It looks like they are bringing back the scary monster thing that crashes around and in general makes a lot of noise. Good for them.

I missed the first ten minutes, but in general was thrown off by the shift from the last episode to this one. As far as I can tell, Claire is gone and no one besides Charlie seems concerned, Locke and Boone forgot about the metal tube thing they found out in the wilderness, or ignored it and are coming back to it. Also, who puts a model of a DC-10 in a lockbox? That was extremely anticlimatic. Still, they got me hooked, though I will be VERY upset if they turn Locke into a bad guy, he's my favorite!
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Given the show's strong reliance on powerful but apparently irrelevant "symbolic" trinkets, I've started wondering whether the whole thing is an extended dream sequence in the head of one character.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I'm betting that Kate is a secret agent. I mean, she capped three bad guys pretty efficiently, and the CIA is ALWAYS going after lockboxes, aren't they?

That doesn't explain why she didn't take down Sawyer. . . maybe she was shamming.

I love this show.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Notice that she did not kill any of the three. They were all still alive. She is not a killer.

I wonder if the plane has anything to do with the fact that they were in a plane crash? Her father maybe?

I was amazed that there was a positive portrayl of a religious person. It does not surprise me that Charlie went that way. From his flash backs he seemed fairly religious before he became a rock star.

Lock and the brother did not forget about what they found. They just have not told the others.

I am waiting to see what the story is for Hurley and the brother/sister.

msquared
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Oh and Evangaline Lilly is very, very hot.

msquared
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Yeah, I was slightly disappointed in this episode, it seemed like it raised more questions than it answered. Then again, Jack got more than one episode to show his backstory, maybe Kate will too. I guess maybe this was just a bit of a lull after the last episode, which was pretty hair-raising, and next week's, which looks to be pretty exciting too.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
I assumed that the tide rising is the island forcing the survivors inland.

I loved the opening with Sawyer and Kate at the waterfall.

Little toy airplane, though? Weird in a way that annoys me, not intrigues me.

I don't think that Boone and Shannon are brother and sister - maybe step, but there's something weird going on.

I loved Shannon's singing - she has a lovely voice. It reminded me of the episode in The X-Files where Scully sings Three Dog Night's Joy to the World to Mulder when they're stuck in the Everglades.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oh, I forgot that Charlie was Catholic before his stardom!

Mrs M., I think you may be right about the tide. The tide rising doesn't have to be literally explained if the island is an entity (which it seems to have been).

I also wondered about the thing Boone and Locke discovered- I guess that's what the axe scene was all about. It was cleverly put in there though.

EDIT: Kate definately has more to her past than we are seeing. She can't be just a common criminal- she managed to manipulate the bank manager and the three criminals, she handled a gun efficiently and without actually killing anyone- she'd clearly used one before and with great proficiency.

[ January 06, 2005, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
This show is another damned soap opera, just like Alias.

I want Sawyer dead. He has to sleep sometime, and I don't understand how, out of all those survivors, no one has slit his throat yet.

I'm thinking about not watching it anymore and then renting the DVDs when they come out.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
But Kayla, don't you want to find out what happens next?
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
I DO.

Anybody know where I can get this last ep as a torrent? I'm simply, er, Lost without Supernova...
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
I find it interesting how they refered to a popular movie, and didn't actually name it, and they refered to a religion in her prayer, and didn't name it. (Both if you weren't paying attention would have been missed)

The toy plane doesn't add up for me. It can't be her son. No mother (unless indirectly unknowingly) could do that.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Explain that last sentence, raventh, I don't know what you mean...
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 

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I want Sawyer dead. He has to sleep sometime, and I don't understand how, out of all those survivors, no one has slit his throat yet.

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I must be the only female on the planet who would like to see Sawyer either reform quickly or die a quick death.

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Uh, 'scuse me? I wanted him dead first!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
You can have the honours.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
I'm just saying, I'm female and I want him dead.

I don't understand how anyone could find him attractive. I have a problem with that, though. It doesn't matter how "hot" a guy is, once he's done something I find repugnant, he's repugnant. And this role will forever cloud my judgment of any future roles Josh Holloway has. There are actors that I dislike because of the first role I saw them in (like Colm Feore. I'll never like him.)

On the other hand, there are guys that aren't all that cute that I can find incredibly hot simply because of a role they have or a talent that I find attractive.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Exactly
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Like who, Kayla?
 

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Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
Olivetta, check out www.torrentspy.com. It's the best alternative I've found for suprnova so far. It has many seeds for episodes of lost, including the most recent one.
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Olivetta: I can send it to you right now while i'm at work, and faster than a torrent could get . hop on aim?
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Teshi: She killed the only man she loved, now this really only points to the guy in the robbery, except that it was a toy plane. Now sure I like planes, but I don't think a woman would be reminded of me because of a toy plane, although I could see a woman killing me (you know with a gun, I'm not a weakling)
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Foust,

Hmm, I never particularly cared for Robert Downey Jr., but after seeing him on Ally McBeal I found him very sexy. (It was the singing.) Harry Connick Jr. (Again, kind of goofy looking, but incredibly talented. First saw him in Memphis Belle, which he followed with Little Man Tate, Copy Cat, Independence Day, showing incredible range for a singer.) Jason Alexander (dancing.) Donnie and Mark Wahlberg. Hated their music, but when the started acting, whoo baby.

You know, there are more cute/hot actors that I abhor because of a role they've had or something they've done in their personal lives than ones that aren't hot that I find hot because of some odd talent. I'll ask my husband later. He knows/remembers what I like better than I do.

Ooh, Josh Grobin. You can't tell me he's cute by any stretch of the imagination, yet I find him hot because of his talent.

[ January 07, 2005, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Kayla ]
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 

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She killed the only man she loved, now this really only points to the guy in the robbery, except that it was a toy plane.

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I think it shows specifically that the man she loved was NOT involved in the robbery. The man she loved was already dead at that time.
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Thanks Fitz.

raventh1 - I'll try, but I may be late...
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
Okay, all kidding about extreme hotness aside, I really like Sawyer. Here's why: unlike all of the other characters, he conceals his goodness. He's obnoxious and unethical, but not evil. I would rather have a jerk with a heart of gold than someone who seems to be a great person, but is evil underneath.

And I do love me some bad boys.
 

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Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
Mrs. M, I completely agree.

I don't trust the self-proclaimed Good Guys. They have too much invested in that persona, so when they do screw up (and everyone does), they won't admit it or fix it because to admit it would mess up their self-image.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
People who cause trouble for the sake of trouble are almost as bad as those who pretend to be good and actually are evil, especially on a desert island where everything could potentially cause disaster.
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
But it's his self-loathing and self-destructiveness that makes him mildly appealing. I don't think he's all that hot, but I like tortured characters. "Sawyer" has that, in spades.
 

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Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
 
Plus, dimples and long eyelashes.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Can we get back to talking about how hot Kate is, please?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I'll admit he has the tortured look, but that doesn't make him, in my eyes, any more attractive. If he starts being nice, or even shows a good side, he'll be more attractive.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
For television torrents I use http://btefnet.net/. They sometimes have the episodes up before they have played locally and they are usually well seeded.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 

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Jason Alexander

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Uh... from Seinfeld?
 

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Posted by FoolishTook (Member # 5358) on :
 
I missed this week's episode, because the bloody electricity went off just before the show was going to start! Stupid ice storm.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Okay, lots of insights today, and a lot of questions!

First, that Boone is Shannon's step-brother and that he lost a lot of money on her and to her. Second, that this relationship was bad for Boone; he was basicially slipping up over and over for her.

And so comes Locke. The man is a total lunatic, or a tough love believer, or "at one with the island". He knew Boone would see something when he tied him up, but was it the island showing him these things or was there something in the thing he smeered on his forehead (that he was possibly making before they even had the conversation about telling Shannon)?

So is there a THING? Is it in true Lord of the Flies form, the imagination of the people on the island or is there actually something that makes people hallucinate?

Something must have killed the captain of the plane and deposited him in the tree or was that only mass hallucination, and the captain is really alive?

Is there even a French woman in the jungle?

And so Boone saw his hallucination, and "felt relieved". Could that be the sole point of Boone's self-discovery? That it's time to 'let go' of Shannon? It seems kind of weak.

Also; if the island reveals itself or teaches people about themselves, what did Locke see when he faced the THING in the jungle?

And finally, there is the compass. Locke "does not need it anymore", which implies it's either useless (and Locke knows it) or he doesn't use it because he actually doesn't need it.

What could cause such a large distance change? I could imagine that if they were close to the north pole this would happen and that of course, leads back to the polar bears. Is it possible that this island is a sort of warm anomally? How come, if that is the case, there are regular tropical fruits there?

Somebody I was watching it with said she heard it might be purgatory, which is an off the wall idea, but in this stage, anything is possible.

Too many questions!
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I'm starting to seriously think that Locke had his soul sucked out and is now a pod-person for the god of the island, or something to that effect. He keeps playing these nonconsensual power games with the others, f**king with them "for their own good," which strikes me as a godlike thing to do.

Sayid said that a small magnetic anomaly would cause the compass to be a few degrees off, but not as far off as it is. I wonder if that could mean there's a really freakin huge magnetic anomaly on the island. Alternatively, one of the hypotheses I heard about the show was that there's been some enormous global-scale disaster that turned reality, the laws of physics, etc. inside out and the island survivors are the only people left alive on Earth.

I'm glad we're starting to see how the characters' lives intersected with each other before they ever came to be on the plane (re: Sawyer's cameo in the police station). I think it'll be fascinating to find out how it all comes together.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
[deleted]

No more posting in the middle of the show.

[ January 13, 2005, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
Don't worry about it - I was shocked too.

I knew they were step siblings.

How hysterical was Hurley screaming at Jin to pee on his foot?

[ January 13, 2005, 12:02 AM: Message edited by: Mrs.M ]
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Yeah that was great.

I am a little annoyed that Locke has taken it upon himself to 'enlighten' those on the island. I guess he wants Boone to be in on his little game, so he had to dislocate him from Shannon...but come on.

I did like the exchange between Kate and ....the Korean lady (what's her first name?) That was great.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
See, I love me some Locke. I was so upset when I thought he was the cause of Shannon's death.

Her name is Sun. I love her, too. She has such a gentleness to her; she seems like she's one of those people who makes everyone around her calmer.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Locke's character is too out of whack. One minute he's hunter man, then he's philosophy man, then he's know it all man. He knows too much, it's not realistic. He spends too much time in reverance to the island.

He was my favorite character before, now I don't know who it is.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Nothing on the show is realistic....so I guess I can accept Locke's wackiness. I just think he's annoyingly smug.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Am I wrong. or did Locke arrive on the island in a wheel chair, then suddenly realize that he had the ability to walk?

I don't recall anyone else being "healed" at the time of the crash.

Is it possible that Locke died in the crash?
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Well, since Locke was in a wheelchair for only 4 years, I think he'd do tons of learning. Most of the stuff he seems to know is general stuff, he is just sure of himself, and knows more than most.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
If it's possible for a person to become a paraplegic in an accident, shouldn't the opposite be possible too?

Either way, I've heard several theories on the subject. That if you give something to the island it gives something back, and that if you wish for something hard enough it appears (Charlie's guitar, Sayid finding others on the island and maps, Walt playing backgammon and getting the dice rolls he wanted). I'm sure we'll find out eventually.

I know the whole thing isn't realistic, but in science fiction not much that happens is realistic, but you can still see things happen in that reality that seem out of place. In other words accept the island and what not as a reality, and then look for things that even in that situation seem out of place. And I think Locke's erratic know it all oracle behavior qualifies.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
I don't mind the "know it all" behavior because, as far as I remember, he never approaches to impose to his thoughts, but is approached and asked for his thoughts.

The one exception could be when he was stalking Charlie to keep him from getting his drugs, but aside from that, he only leads when he has someone following him.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I don't think Boone was in any way asking for what Locke did to him.
 

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Posted by Tink (Member # 7267) on :
 
Well, Boone did say he was ready for the ramifications of his decision . . . though how that led to what happened, I'm not quite sure.

The idea of everyone else in the world dying and only the people on the island is interesting, if somewhat horrifying.

My husband pointed out that the last time a polar bear appeared was when the kid (Malcolm?) was reading his book or comic or whatever it was, and it looks from the preview like there will be a polar bear in connection with the kid next week.

It seems as though whatever is in the island responds to you in the way you treat it. If you view it with fear, it's a monster. If you treat it with awe and respect, it gives you knowledge (Locke). If you want something badly enough, it gives it to you.

Maybe.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wait, Tink. Where was the last Polar Bear?

There was the one that Sawyer shot early on, and then there was another one? Can you explain what happened with it please, I think that was in the episode I missed.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I think the only other time a polar bear has appeared was in the pilot (second hour of it, I think). The one Sawyer shot.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
So something happened with my DVR and I missed the last minute of the show and the preview for next week.

Anyone know where I could get next week's preview online?
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
The comic the kid was reading had a polar bear in it. Curiouser and curiouser.

Linky
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
So it appears that Walt had supernatural abilities before he came to the island. Does this mean that our theorizing about the island's wish granting ability is innacurate>
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Someone give me a rundown of this week's plot; I went to a debate and missed it!

Who's Walt?
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Walt is the 10-year-old boy who hangs around Locke whenever he can. Michael's (the black man's) son.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
I like Locke. While he may disagree with how Mike is raising Walt on the island, he understands the need for Mike to be Walt's father and the responibility that Walt has to obey his father. He did not hold Mike's anger against him when Walt was in trouble. I am betting now that Mike and Locke have gone through what they have, Mike will let Walt spend some time with Locke.

Wow, Claire is back, and with out the baby I would guess.

msquared
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
My Locke love grows each and every week. Why is Terry O'Quinn not a huge star?

Did anyone notice that Sawyer did not read Claire's diary and Charlie did? While I sympathize with Charlie (and adore him) and would probably have done the same thing, it was Sawyer who did right there.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Of course, Sawyer did steal it from her bags in the first place. And then wouldn't give it back to Charlie. I think he's still in the negative column.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
What I am wanting to know is what, before the plane crash, links these people together.

PS: I have not been able to watch every episode.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 

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Gee, I wonder why.

Connections: Sawyer was in the police station where Boone went to report Shannon's abusive boyfriend. Sun and Jin were in the airport line behind Jack when he was convincing them to transport his father's body.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
In several of the flash backs, you see one of the other characters in the background.

For instance, when someone was at a police station (I can't remember who now), Sawyer was being brought in.

I wonder if that's happening with every flash back and I just haven't noticed them all.

Boone, that was it. Thanks Mrs.M.

[ January 21, 2005, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: zgator ]
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
If someone happened to have recorded all of the episodes on VHS, I would very much like to have them.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Wait, scratch that... we don't have a VHS player.

Ok then. If someone happens to have them on DVD, or CD that I could play on my laptop, I would very much like to have them.

PS: We do have TiVo, so I'll be able to watch every episode from this point on.

[ January 21, 2005, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: T_Smith ]
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
CLAIRE!! CLAIRE!!!

CLAIRE!!!!!!

SHE'S BACK!!!!

and the bastages wouldn't show us a close up of her tummy...is she still pregnant??

<3 Charlie

the "Sawyer-lashing-out-at-everyone-to-punish-himself" thing is getting old. i mean, i guess it's in character, but can we have another episode focusing on him or something...i'd love a Locke-induced romp through the forest following Sawyer like we had for Boone...

Hurley, much? I'd like some info!

i smacked Greg across the head when Claire came back...i'm so excited!!!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME A RUNDOWN OF THE PLOT BEFORE I EXPLODE?

Sorry about the capitals, you have to understand how much I'm dying here!
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
Shhh, shh Teshi baby, here's your link right here. It's okay. It's okay honey. The recap's right here.


 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Thank you Lady Jane/kat...

(which one are you officially going by?!)
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
It's kat. I'm going back to katharina as soon as we figure out why I can't get my password.

*shakes fist in direction of Idaho*

[ January 21, 2005, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: Lady Jane ]
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
It's on. Is this a repeat episode?
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
Yep.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
::shrug::

Well, I haven't seen it. ::watches::
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
It just occured to me, a lot of the characters on this show have, in some way, dealt with loss before the plane crash. Probably already brought up, but Im not rereading this thread.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
No, I don't think we've talked about Loss (Loss/Lost, arg; coincidence?). But it is an interesting idea, or perhaps just the way it panned out- it's not universal; Shannon and Bpone have not really lost anything we know about yet, and neither really did Charlie, Hurley or Claire.

Anyway, the other day, while reading plot summaries that Kat so helpfully pointed me towards, I realised that we have a Locke and a Rousseau in the same show, obviously placed purposefully.

I haven't divined if there is any reason for this yet, though, and if there is, what it is.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
I haven't seen any character focus episodes of those you mentioned except for Charlie and a bit of Claire.

I did think about Charlies episode a little bit after I posted, so maybe his loss is a bit more metaphorical? But if thats the case, then why weren't the other passangers saved, cause I doubt that many people have gone through their lives without loss. Perhaps its a special kind of loss? ::Shrug::
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Did anyone read the TV guide this week and all the terrible hints they let out? It's driving me nuts.

Here's the photo spread that my sister scanned of all the characters.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Ok, guys, I'm lazy so if you could just tell me...

Tell me aboot Hurley. He seems intriguing, and I think "his episode" passed already.
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
They haven't gone into hurley's past at all, other than him mentioning in passing in one of the first episodes about his name.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
It's going to be a couple more weeks of reruns isn't it?
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Apparently so.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I believe (but don't quote me on this) that next week is a new episode.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Good.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
I really like Hurley.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I do too. I hope we get his backstory soon.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Yeah. I mean, anyone who can get something from Sawyer without resulting to violence has got to be one cool dude. I really do trust him.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
That

rocked

I especially liked the little toss off reference to The Office.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I liked it but I was a little dissapointed that none of the mysteries were resolved.

And how many people are we down to now? 45? ish?
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Good episode, even though nothing much was resolved. I was pissed when Charlie killed Ethan, because of course my curiosity was frustrated, and I don't handle that well at all. But I suppose Charlie was right that he wouldn't have told them anything, and what with Ethan being so freakishly strong and the possibility that there are others like him on the island, I suppose it wasn't really safe to try to keep him captive. Still...I wanted to know, dammit!
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Alternately, it's entirely possible that Charlie is either in on the plot and killed Ethan to keep him from talking, or else was reprogrammed by the Secret Masters when he was kidnapped.

I was surprised that Claire wasn't too upset, since she did after all allow herself to be used for bait for the specific purpose of catching Ethan and getting some answers, only to have Charlie make her sacrifice completely irrelevant.

[ February 09, 2005, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
It wasn't irrevelent! They wanted to prevent him from murdering anyone else, first and foremost. If he had been captured alive it would have been excellent, but one goal was to prevent more murder.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
I was with Tom in that I thought Charlie was in on it but I am thinking more that Claire is in on it. I would need to watch it again to see if there are any slips that give it away, but I suspect Claire of being "one of them" now. Also, I think Hurley might be even though I love the guy. Of the main characters, isn't he the only one we haven't gotten a "backstory" on yet? Some folks have had more than one flashback session, too. But Hurley, none. And he is the guy who did the passenger list. Someone made a point of this but he got all "dude" and smiled and reassured whomever it was (Sawyer?) that he was on the list. I don't know. Putting my money on Hurley being a plant, fun moments with the Korean gent aside.

What happened to Charlie's new friend? I thought he was heading down the religious path for a bit but that got scrapped pretty quickly.

fil
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
...and Jack was right. Guns weren't needed (Jack winning this time was suspicious...was Ethan trying to get in among them?) and now, based on the previews, they are going to cause more trouble than they are worth. Hmmm...

fil
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
That preview for next week pissed me off. I do not watch this show for that stupid love triangle.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
*****SPOILERS*****

Then watch the episode for the connection between Sawyer and another character.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
How did Jack beat the snot out of Ethan this time after getting taken apart the first time?

Did anyone else notice that for all Jack said about not letting inexperienced users hold the guns, he was the one who tackled Ethan and sent his gun flying? I was completely expecting Ethan to get the gun.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"How did Jack beat the snot out of Ethan this time after getting taken apart the first time?"

I wondered that myself. Ethan seemed rather out of it.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
He did look pretty crazed. But the night before, he took someone off the beach and broke quite a few bones in their body before killing them.

I keep wondering whether certain events, things, etc. actually mean something or are just bad TV. For instance, why did it take everyone so long to get to the clearing where Jack and Ethan were fighting? They were in line-of-sight with Claire. They should have been close enough to respond when Ethan showed up. By the time the rest of the crew showed up, the fight was all but over.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Did anyone else notice the scratches on Ethan face? His left cheek looked like some one, maybe a female, had scratched it fairly bad. Maybe Claire. I am wondering if maybe somehow Claire escaped and Ethan was on the outs with whomever else is out there with him. Claire had not had the baby yet and Ethan was told to get the girl back. Maybe several days of no sleep and little food brought Ethan down.

The fight did go Jack's way pretty easily. Ethan had just picked Charlie up the day before so he was still fairly strong.

msquared
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
The episode with Hurley's backstory is coming up pretty soon; not the next one, but before the end of the season (episode number 18, I think?). I think maybe he wasn't easily found on the passenger list because Hurley is just the nickname he always uses, and his real name is Hugo something-or-other. And that's a good point, Tom; it also crossed my mind to wonder if Ethan and/or the other baddies had reprogrammed Charlie so they could make him kill Ethan, should such a thing become needful to their aims.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Was Ethan abnormally strong? I know he picked up Charlie with one hand, but I've seen that done before on TV by someone who was just very strong, but not freakishly so. He beat up Jack the first time, but not by greater strength, but because he was a better fighter.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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baddies had reprogrammed Charlie

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I hope not!

I also think it's unlikely. Charlie seemed to be acting purely out of his own desires and 'history'- he wanted to protect Claire as well as wanting to kill the man who had hung him. Sure he made a mistake, but it was totally understandably.

It's quite possible, however, that although Claire seemed to have returned under her own steam, Ethan wiped her memory. I noticed it only started returning after he was dead, possibly indicating a link that was severed at the time of death.

Or she was faking.

EDIT: Top add the quote for clarity.

[ February 10, 2005, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Teshi, I would know if she was faking.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
O.o You would?

...so she isn't?
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Of course not. Men know these things.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"I know he picked up Charlie with one hand, but I've seen that done before on TV by someone who was just very strong, but not freakishly so."

Charlie weighs at least 130 pounds. I'm actually a pretty strong guy, but I have trouble imagining that I could lift someone that heavy -- while struggling -- to eye level.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Tom, I agree. I don't know very many people, if any, that could really do it. But it is TV. I have seen this happen done on TV before and not by someone who was abnormally strong. Just a strong guy picking up a little guy.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
It looks good on TV but to pick someone up with one hand like that with arm extended show incredible upper body strenght, not just in the arm, but in the shoulders and back. Try lifting somethin with a straight arm. Tough to do.

msquared
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 

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For instance, why did it take everyone so long to get to the clearing where Jack and Ethan were fighting?

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Put on the plane by the psychic who was trying to kill her

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That's not the impression I got. I thought that the psychic new the plane was going to crash and that would force Claire to raise the baby on the island. I could be wrong though, I don't think we have enough information either way.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Okay, solo, I'll change it to be ambiguous. I'll keep this post and edit it when new information comes along.

If anyone else has any ideas or quarrels with what I've got listed here, just post.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
I wasn't trying to be confrontational about it or anything. That's just not the perspective I took. I think it is a perfectly valid point of view though.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I know, and I tried to word my answer so it didn't sound like I was angry but it wasn't working!

I didn't mean to sound upset!
 

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Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
 
It's worth mentioning, I think, that Sayid met with Rousseau and received some hints about what this island did to a previous group of maroonees.

Oh, and you don't have Sawyer on there

[ February 10, 2005, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Puppy ]
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Have they ever gone back to look for the cable that Sayid found?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
No, oddly enough.

But I think it's like the Mysterious Metallic Hull, which although of critical importance, seems to have taken a back seat to other concerns.

I think it's just how much they can fit in an episode, so a lot of stuff gets shafted .
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Anyone tape the Jimmy Kimmel "Lost" show? I did just 'cause. Show sucks, by the way, but it was fun seeing cool Lost folks out of character...sort of. Mostly set up situations for Jimmy to play in...the actor that plays Sawyer refusing to give Jimmy some Off, Kate reading minds (for whatever reason) and Charlie-actor faking some guitar songs. Somewhat cute but having to suffer through some of the rest of jimmy's show was tough. He was a better second banana on that quiz show. Scary news...and I haven't seen it confirmed...was that David Cross (a fave of mine) was a guest and said that Arrested Development was over! Don't know if he was serious or if he was just...well...being David. He seemed pissed off but who knows.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Here's the Jimmy Kimmel clip. It's hilarious.
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
*wipes tears from eyes*

That was hysterical

-Leonide
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Teshi: Walt, Michael, and Boone have all seen the face of the 'monster'. I believe Jack was in that scene too, I'll have to watch that particular episode again.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Teshi, I really appreciate you putting together that list.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
You're Welcome, T, but really I needed an excuse to do it .

raventh: I think there's a distiction between "being chased" by the Beast and actually "communing" with it.

Although Boone, Michael, (EDIT: Realised by me and then pointed out by Stray that Shannon is only a hallucination and has yet to encounter the beast) and Walt all have run with the Beast 'right behind them' I don't think they actually saw it... although of course we'd never know because they never talk about it.

Locke actually turned and faced the Beast in a way that suggests he faced his fears and this had some sort of "communing experience".



I'll make a note of who has run from the beast though.

EDIT: Last night, while mulling over Lost, and this vague idea I have that Walt is in an Island way Walt Disney (able to make things come alive) I realised that his guardian is called Michael, like Michael Eisner.

Michael adopted Disney, but he cannot really make it happy. Coincidence?

[ February 12, 2005, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I thought Shannon running from the beast only happened in Boone's hallucination/vision/whatever.

And that's a really funny thought about Walt and Michael
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Stray: After posting the post above I realised that this was true so when I went to edit the list post I noted that fact however I didn't go back and change the post above this post.

Anyway, it's changed now!
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Refresh my memory, when was Walt chased by the Beast? I know he ran from that polar bear (likely 'summoned' by his crazy psychic talent or whatever it is he's got), but when did he encounter the Giant Invisible Beast?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I actually don't remember.



I was sure that there was a moment, but perhaps it was a) the polar bear episode, which I only ever imagined from the recap (I never saw it)

Anyone else? or am I hallucinating like Boone?
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
As far as I can remember, no one's been around the BIG BEAST (BB) except Locke, Jack, and Kate...Locke of course when he faced the BB, and Jack and Kate when they were in the plane nose with the pilot...(was Charlie in there too?)...and then I guess it would depend on whether you thought Boone was hallucinating *everything* he heard/felt/saw, or merely Shannon. In which case, Boone's been quite near the BB as well.
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Wasn't Walt trapped in some trees? I will find that episode and watch it again.
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
Yes. Episode 13, 35 minutes in, he is trapped, and they all get a look at it for a while, as it is attacking trying to get in the trees where Walt is stuck.
 

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Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
 
If you say there is a difference, then how is Boone's induced communion any different?
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Wasn't Walt being attacked by a polar bear, not the BB?

because I think we all got a look at the polar bear!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Well, raventh, I'm looking it at the way that Locke actually turned and faced the beast and escaped unscathed- not scared, not with stories of being chased, with nothing but a creepy ability to understand and predict the island.

Boone however, ran away from the beast and did not gain this uncanny ability.

It's totally open to interpretation, of course.
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
*does happy dance*

I have found a place to watch Lost. The BP meet at a girl's house to watch it, and I've decided to join. Yay!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Brilliant.

Was I the only one screaming "tell him!" when Sawyer realised who Jack's father was?

heh heh.

I can't wait until next week!

(The list is updated)
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Great episode-- much better than I expected based on last week's preview, I was dreading a boring Jack-Sawyer-Kate love triangle thing.

And yes, I was screaming "Tell him" too!

Can't wait for next week.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
The reason I was relieved with this episode, is I thought it was going to be a "I have the guns, I have the power" episode. Sure it didn't exactly reveal MUCH, but it really did a good job at developing Sawyers character, I think.

And yes, I was wanting Sawyer to tell him about his father. Sawyer is a good guy, and has every oppurtunity, but he doesn't, and that part does tick me off a bit, but does make me more interested in his character.

Teshi, could you update the list?

I also found that scene where Locke just stumbles on them to be humorous. I notice more and more that Locke is the kind of person who causes others to face their problems head on.

[ February 16, 2005, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: T_Smith ]
 

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Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
 

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Was Ethan abnormally strong? I know he picked up Charlie with one hand, but I've seen that done before on TV by someone who was just very strong, but not freakishly so. He beat up Jack the first time, but not by greater strength, but because he was a better fighter.

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I wondered about this too. Like you said, he beat Jack pretty easily in their first fight. That may be because he was a better fighter, but super strength might have helped too. Picking up Charlie with one arm like that is pretty much impossible for someone Ethan's size, but that might just be TV physics. And did anyone else notice that in the last fight with Jack he took about a half dozen punches full in the face and was still getting up like nothing happened right until he was shot?! Again, that could just be the usual TV-world rule of punches to the face not really hurting much, but when you add it all up, I get the impression that Ethan may have been something more than a normal human being. And chances are there are more people like him out there...

[ February 17, 2005, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: neo-dragon ]
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I'm getting tired of hearing people complain about the lack of resolution thus far.

Perhaps the point of the show, to a certain extent, is to make the viewer feel just a wee bit, oh, I don't know, LOST.

That said, I'm enjoying the show as much as ever.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
I wonder if there were connections between all of the characters before the plane. Examples: Sawyer met Jack's father in the bar, Sawyer was in police station when Kate was getting fingerprinted. Maybe it's just that Sawyer has a connection to everyone?
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
Sawyer was in the station when Boone was talking about his sister, too.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Ooops! I think that's what I meant. I just remembered that it was a police station, so of course my first thought was Kate!
 

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Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
 
LALALALALA---I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! Stop posting spoilers!!! My will is not that strong, and I like being suprised....please...stop...can't not look...
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I think I recall hearing that all the characters have had some kind of interaction or connection with each other before they ever got on the plane. It'll be fun seeing how that happens in the flashbacks.

Something I thought of a few episodes back, but keep forgetting to say: Walt's talent seems to be "calling" animals to him (polar bear, bird). But he doesn't seem to be able to do that with Vincent, the one animal he actually wants to be able to call to him whenever he wants. I know Vincent's gotten loose/wandered off at least twice during the course of the show, and there may be other times I'm forgetting about. Funny, that.
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Hmmm... Interesting point, Stray, I never made that connection.

re: peterh's last post--I personally don't mind that there is no quick resolution to things on this show, but it is frustrating when some shows really don't do much in terms of character development or plot development-- like last week's episode. It was good enough, I guess, but we didn't really learn anything more about Charlie-- we already knew he was basically a decent guy who was messed up with drugs. Other than Ethan dying, what of significance happened?

Now this week was much better. I'm still anxiously awaiting for Hurley's story, though.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Sawyer is one who hoards and I think he is holding the info about Jack's father until it is useful to share it. Sawyer isn't an evil man but he is still very selfish and opportunistic.

I agree. Can't wait for Hurley's episode!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Teshi, could you update the list?

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I thought I did... I added Locke's Golden Retriever, The Boar (which I figured although not definately supernatural was all but supernatural).

I'll add Sawyer's reason for being in Australia. Is there anything else anyone thinks should be added?
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
You know, the fact that they're waiting so long to do Hurley's episode should indicate how awesome it's going to be. And that there will be many revalations in that episode. They've done every major character now. A few of them twice even. And still no Hurley. The only characters they haven't done have been Shannon and the Asian guy(Jin?) and they were partly done in the episodes with their significant others.

I also thought this last episode was great. Some good comedy and interesting plot. So was Robert Patrick supposed to be Sawyer? Or just someone setting our Sawyer up because he knew about his history? Sawyer's meeting with Jacks' dad will obviously come up again some time. When do you think it'll happen?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
New episode tonight!

 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
"And still no Hurley."

Perhaps this is because Hurley's a fat guy. Fat guys don't get their own episode; it's kind of a rule of ensemble presentations.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Hurley's episode will be two weeks from today, I believe. It's episode #18 of the season anyway, and I'm pretty sure tonight's is #16.
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
Isn't Hurley's episode tonight? Or next week? I think it's soon - I read that somewhere. Uno momento.

Or, I can wait one moment and Hatrack will come up with all the answers, like usual.

[ February 23, 2005, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Lady Jane ]
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Jin (I think) is tonight's episode.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 

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Or, I can wait one moment and Hatrack will come up with all the answers, like usual.

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I've seen the promo pics for it, and I know some spoilers...
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
*bounce*
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
OK, was that Hurley on the TV the kid was watching? It just flashed for a second but it sure looked like him.

Pretty good episode, I had a feeling the kid torched the boat...
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Yes, it was indeed Hurley. Wasn't that awesome?

I liked this episode, especially the bit right at the end when Hurley's CD player ran out of batteries. I got the feeling that this was the end of one era and the beginning of a new one.

I did not see Walt being the culprit coming; awesome.

EDIT: The List is updated. And I added a new section, "connections".

[ February 23, 2005, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Agh, I completely missed seeing Hurley on the TV! Oh well, great episode nonetheless. And for once I didn't have to shush my various housemates who were yapping away in the background when the show started, since it was subtitled
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Spoilers about Hurley from 'TV Guide'-

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...Hurley won the jackpot of a lottery, and is a millionaire. That's why he was on TV.

[ February 23, 2005, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
That's what I've heard too.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Teshi-

Where/What is the "List"?
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
One of my favorite things about this show is the complexity of all the characters we're supposed to not like.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I saw "the kid did it" coming. I couldn't quite figure out a motive and I thought the one he gave was rather lame, but I suppose it makes sense.

Does it squick anyone else out to see Sayid getting all schmoopy and romantic? And did anyone else notice that this episode ended with lingering shots of the current couples? Charlie/Claire, Sayid/Shannon.

I kind of did like the shot of Sun and her freedom at the end, but it still made me sad because I feel like Jin is pretty danged misunderstood. I wish he would just spill the beans about her "mob" father so they could kiss and make up.

next week's episode looks very Indiana Jones-esque.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
But Jin knows what is feels like to be ashamed of his father and he doesn't want to burden Sun with the same shame. That's a pretty powerful and selfless love if you ask me.

Actually, I think that Sun just needs to admit to Jin that she knows about her father and loved Jin because he was her ticket out of that shame/life. She started to hate Jin because she believed that Jin had becoming her father.

I think that Sun realized how wrong she was about Jin when he didn't raise a hand to Walt's dad.
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Wow, LadyDove, I never thought of it that way. I guess it's selfless, but it's still messed up. A good example of why you should be honest with each other in relationships.

Yeah, Sayid all schmoopy is a little weird, isn't it?
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
I'm eager to see Hurley's life-- he's definitely my favorite character. He is the community builder-- better than Locke, better than the doctor person. . .

Hurley rocks.

I like the way they set up opposition between Walt and Locke. They both seem to have some mystical control over the island (Locke is obvious-- but Walt called up a polar bear, twice!). And during the pilot, their backgammon game. . . portents, portents, oooohh.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Scott, what is the opposition you see between Locke and Walt? It seems to me that Locke wants Walt to develop his talents.

I thought I was going to be soooo cool being the first one that noticed that Hurley was on TV in Jin's backstory. Curse you attentive people.

What kind of lottery did Hurley win that it showed up on TV in Korea?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
I was thinking about the theory that Locke is the voice of the island, and I think this episode went against that theory a little. When Locke started all of that talk about going against "them" and not each other, it was doing the opposite of what the island wanted. When he said that I thought it really was "them" who had done it because it had broken up the people on the island, split them back into different factors, and put them off guard. If Locke is the voice of the island, would he have been able to put them back together like that, and not tell about Walt?
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Hurley is indeed my favorite character on the show, and really, I can't wait for his episode. However, I'm afraid that they are going to kill him off- not that I've heard rumors or spoilers, just afraid of that. I really would hate to see the writers build up so much audience connection to him, only to make his death more emotion for the audience.
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 
I totally saw WaltAsCulprit coming. I kept trying to convince the BP I was with that he was the one, and they wouldn't believe it.

Hurley's wonderful. I love that they showed the moment his batteries ran out, because when he turned on the CD player, half the people in the room said "The batteries still work!?"
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Lady Jane, it was the same at my house! People guffawed at the life of the batteries only to see them conk out. Very cool.

Jin's backstory was excellent. I liked how it filled in all of Sun's story...the dog, the blood, the marriage, all of it. Very nicely done. Also nice this week is the lack of people complaining about enough resolution. I am very content to see these characters grow among themselves through their actions and the past we get a glimpse of. That is what makes this great television, not polar bears, French women or mysterious rocks. This is a cool show and would be fine even without all the mystical stuff. Sawyer said it best this episode...they had gone "Lord of the Flies" and that is good enough for me!
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
See, I'm still kind of wondering in my head "after the mysteries are solved, and all is said and done, if they continue the show, am I going to still watch." The characters are very compelling to watch, but the mystery determines it. If its bad and corny mysteries, it would be difficult to continue to watch. If it was a good mystery that was solved, and they had to live with it still, I would probably keep watching. I do love the characters a lot.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
My worry about this kind of show is that it will get cancelled before the overarching story gets told and will leave us hanging. I have the same worries (only to a higher degree since it is less popular and not on one of the big networks) about Veronica Mars.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
No, I don't think this will get cancelled anytime soon. It's had outstanding ratings, and a strong fan base. However, all of that could easily wane by season 4, depending on the writers.
 

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Posted by Lady Jane (Member # 7249) on :
 

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It's had outstanding ratings, and a strong fan base.

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Where/What is the "List"?

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"The List", suggested by T_Smith is a list of Lost characters, their reasons for traveling and any flashback connections (i.e. Hurley on TV).

It's on page seven of this thread about half way down.

It's the Lost List

(heh, the Last Lust for Lost List )
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Could somebody please, PLEASe, direct me to a bittorent of this ep?

*weeps and gnashes teeth*
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
pretty please?
 

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Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
TorrentSpy is down right now, and the other torrent site I use doesn't have the most recent episode. I found episode 1x17 here, though. 4th torrent down with 793 seeds. Enjoy!
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 

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Sawyer (Thanks Geoff!): (possible real name is James?) Unknown as to why he was flying, as far as I can tell. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who was seen entering a police station in Boone's Flashback and so may have been running from the police after murdering a man who was not who he thought was 'Sawyer'. Was in Australia to do this murder.

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I got the impression that he was going home to exact vengence from the bad dude that set him up to kill the wrong man.

[ March 01, 2005, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: LadyDove ]
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
I use www.isohunt.com to find torrents. you'll always be able to find up to date torrents through them.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oh, good idea, LadyDove! I'll add that as a possibility!
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Oh, thank you! Thank you!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wow! So many things to distract me from the essay that is due tomorrow!

This number sequence curse is intriguing and is the first solid proof we've had that something mighty fishy is going on. It's also the first link we've had between the island and the outside world- it seems to be an real earthly island.

The source of the numbers, although linked with the island, is not necessarily the island itself, taking into account the metal hull- that hull could have brought the numbers to the island.

On the other hand, if that was the number of the ship, it could have been lured there by the numbers that are somehow attached to the island.

Can any mathematicians say if it is a recognisable sequence?

Also, I loved the tiny subplot of Locke-Claire. That was very sweet.

Overall an excellent episode. I loved the way the fact that Hurley's life, although horribly tragic, is at the same time comic. It was a very well executed tragi-comic episode!

Edit:
I decided to re-post the Lost List here, so people don't have to flip around. Here it is:

Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences

Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcaholic.

- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc.
- His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition.

Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.

John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability (paralysed from waist down).

-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed.
-Is the only person known to have face the Monster and survived.
-Seems to predict things on the island (occurances, weather and direction) very accurately.
-When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left.

Connections: - Worked for the box company owned by Hurley.

Boone/Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. together after Boone was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend. He then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back together. Shannon speaks French.

- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body grusomely mauled by the monster.
- Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not.

Sayid: Unknown

- The first one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him about a “disease� that had claimed her fellow castaways, and the “Black Rock� (later discovered by Hurley to be the site of a radio transmitter tower).

Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved.

Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.

- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering.

Connections: - Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback.
-Owned the box company for which Locke was working.

Michael/Walt/Vincent: Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.

- Walt seems to be able to think of animals (?) and make them appear, or come to him.
- Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.

Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.

Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.

- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash.
- Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.

Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.

Sun/Jin: Jin and Sun were in Sydney together for Jin’s job. He was “delivering watches� for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.

Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.

Sawyer (Thanks Geoff!): (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.

[ March 03, 2005, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I think this was my favorite episode since part II of the pilot.

Hurley's life after winning the lottery managed to be extremely creepy while being just ambiguous enough that I was left with doubt up until the final shot whether or not he was right about an extranormal explanation.

All in all a cool, well done episode.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Hurley rocks.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
Couple connections-- Hurley owns the box company that Locke worked for.

Michael saw Sawyer in the police station.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I notice that Sawyer was reading 'A Wrinkle in Time'.

Somehow I didn't picture that being his kind of book.

Was he reading it just to fight the boredom? Or was it another clue?

(Or was it just the used book the prop people gave the actor?)

[ March 02, 2005, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Scott, you are SO observant. Wow.

Puffy Treat, that was also really observant to have caught that. I tried to see but I couldn't quite catch the title. I think right now everything is a potential clue.

[ March 02, 2005, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Since 'A Wrinkle in Time' is about among other things a sort of time travel (an explanation as to why no rescue party's come for them? They're 'lost' in time?) and the battle between good and evil it may well be a clue.

Speaking of evil, Hurley's friend from the mental hospital invoked the myth of Pandora's Box when Hurley revealed he'd used the numbers.

A myth about how evil was released into the world.

Hmmmm...

[ March 02, 2005, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Excellent episode. Hurley is awesome. Good catch on the name of the book Sawyer was reading, I didn't catch that either. Curiouser and curiouser.

Call me sappy, but I thought the cradle was sweet.

That last shot was so creepy, and so cool.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Ok can we clear this up at last.

Locke is not a bad guy. He may be making people face their choices and deal with them, but he is not some evil hidden guy waiting for the right moment to strike.

msquared
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I think he's kind of like Ender as the Speaker for the Dead (guess which book I've just read again). He's frightening and dangerous in many ways, but he's not bad.

Does that make sense?
 

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Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
 
Who wants to bet that the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42 will be played by a lot of people in a lot of lotteries this week? Hell, I might play them. Not because I believe that they're magical, but just because it would be fun. I may just start using those numbers for everything just to see if anything bad happens.
 

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Posted by msquared (Member # 4484) on :
 
Teshi

You need to update your list. Sayid is not the only person to meet the French lady. Hurley has met her now.

msquared
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Bother! I can update bits after each episode, but I can never keep up with everything I have previously written. Thanks for pointing it out!
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
I don't think we can prove that Boone or Walt & Michael have seen the monster, can we? I presume that whatever Locke gave Boone caused the hallucination. ANd W&M have only seen the polar bears.

I also think the "island" is a red herring.

Or maybe the tip of the iceberg.

-Bok
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Scott R,

Wasn't it Jack that was in the police station looking for his father?

Easily my favorite episode.

I love this show!

added: Thanks to neo-dragon for posting the sequence. I was about to if you hadn't.

[ March 02, 2005, 11:49 PM: Message edited by: peterh ]
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
The Polar Bear and the monster are two seperate things, just to let you guys now.

And yeah, this was my favorite episode, hands down. Hurley cracks me up.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 

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Ok can we clear this up at last.

Locke is not a bad guy. He may be making people face their choices and deal with them, but he is not some evil hidden guy waiting for the right moment to strike.

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I like Locke alot, but I think that he is dead and he is simply a personification of the island.

The only thing that makes me doubt my theory is his lie about Walt and his very human distaste for his own father.

[ March 02, 2005, 11:57 PM: Message edited by: LadyDove ]
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
Just out of curiosity, how many survivors were there to start out with? And did the french woman say how many people were in her crew?
 

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Posted by HesterGray (Member # 7384) on :
 
After seeing the preview last week for this week's episode, someone said it looked very Indiana Jones-esque. And it sort of was, with the booby traps and all. But did you notice that at the beginning, Sawyer called Walt "Short Round?" I think they were trying to be Indiana Jones-esque.
 

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Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
Yup, best episode yet. Hurley is great.

"I'm spry!"
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
Ok, 48 people. Scratch that.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Ooo, I wonder if Hurley has the power to open the hatch?
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
I'm trying to figure out how the numbers relate. We have flight 815, Kate robbed deposit box 815, an SOS going for 16 years, 4 years since the guy (the one who won the jelly beans) heard the number going off (so I'm assuming thats the same time the ship with the french woman heard it, and headed towards it).

The reward for kate was also 23,000.

Jack was in seat 23A

Yeah, ok, so I'm grasping at straws here.

Anything else?

[ March 03, 2005, 12:27 AM: Message edited by: Billy Joel ]
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
On another site, it was noted that if you add all the numbers (sort of like the way the Aussy guy guessed the beans in the jar) +156 (Hurley's net worth) you get 48.

4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2+1+5+6 = 48
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wow, Billy those are really great observations. In general, I'm absolutely stunned with the level of "figuring stuff out".

... Of course, this is Hatrack .

I am presently under the belief that Boone was the one who saw Sawyer in the police station, but sicne I didn't see the Michael episode, he could have been seen by others, too.
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
Teshi, LadyDay is Billy, not LadyDove
 

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Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
 
It was boone.

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I meant Billy Joel (two posts above mine)... is that a pseudonym for Lady Day?

My post was made before LadyDove had posted.
 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
Oh duh, I'm still logged in as this. Heh. So much for observations.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Hi Piano Man-
I just assume that Teshi is talking about you, not me. But thanks for the compliment.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Everyone is figuring stuff out in a very clever way!

And whoever said 48 wasn't a number in the pattern, it is: 4 and 8. The pattern is obviously highly central to the plot.


 

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Posted by Billy Joel (Member # 5357) on :
 
Has anyone else pointed out theres a Locke and a Rousseau?
 

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Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
I saw you counting up those numbers on your toes.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
4 8 15 16 23 42

We've got 48 survivors - 4 and 8

Flight 815 and deposit box 815 - 8 and 15

16 years on the island for Rousseau - 16

$23,000 for Kate and Seat 23A for Jack - 23

Anybody got anything for 42 other than it's the answer to the life, the universe and everything?
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Maybe 42 characters left alive at the end of this season?
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Best. Episode. Ever.

Gawd I love Hurley

Oh, and it was definitely Boone who saw Sawyer in the police station. And I don't believe Michael and Walt have seen the Invisible Beast, just an OMGWTFPOLARBEAR!

Amazing what you guys are doing with finding connections for the numbers! I'd never be able to see that much detail in the episodes.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Hurley said at the end he was worth $156 million. That number seems to specific not to mean something, but I can't tie it in with any of the lottery numbers.
 

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Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
 
If I were worth more than 100 million, I'd know the exact number.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Thanks for the reminder, Stray. You're right about Boone and Sawyer in the Police Station.

I hate that can't keep it all straight.
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Don't be so hard on yourself, peterh. It's a lot to keep straight.

Now what about this-- was Hurley a patient at the mental health place? I'm assuming he was, since the Dr. recognized him, or else he worked there. Never saw it explained. But since he really didn't like people telling him he was acting crazy I'd guess he was a patient.

Not sure it's important, but like everyone else, at this point I'm assuming everything is important. Which is why it is getting so hard to keep it all straight!
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I think he was a patient there. When he was giving his little speech to the TV cameras after he won the lottery, he mentioned having put his family through some rough times recently, so I think that's what he was talking about. And from the way the doctor was talking to him, somehow I don't think he just worked there. So yeah, that would explain why he got pissed at Charlie for repeatedly calling him a nutter.
 

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Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
 
I think it's cool that whenever we get a glimpse into a character's mysterious past, that glimpse gives us a hint of ANOTHER story that is buried even deeper.
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
If Hurley CAN open the hatch... Given that he is supposed to avoid the numbers, I would guess the result would be bad.... Very bad.

-Bok
 

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Posted by Wendybird (Member # 84) on :
 
I noticed too that Sawyer was reading A Wrinkle in Time. I just finished that a few weeks ago and my cover is the same so I recognized it. Very interesting choice of books for him.....

I can not wait until the DVD comes out (it is being released isn't it??????) so I can watch the few episodes I missed.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
The Lost DVD is due out September...just in time for the start of season two.

[ March 05, 2005, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
more Lost Spoilers
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
Apparently there is a planned 8 season story arc.

Link
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
*bumpitty bump* New episode tonight!
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Gah! Boone!

And that...glow.

*shiver*

Man...next episode is going to be intense.
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
Wow. That was weird.

In a good way, of course.
 

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Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
 
Was anyone able to make out what the voice on the radio said to Boone just as the plane began to fall? I wasn't able to make it out. It sounded like three syllables, followed by oceanic 815. Anyone?

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wow. Weird. Intense. Gah.

And what's with the dessicated bodies, eh? "I think we need some more tension, let's throw in an extra dead body..."

I was a little doubtful that Locke could have walked that far carrying Boone considering he had not even been able to walk when they reached the plane. The only thing I can think of is that he suddenly got his legs back again?

And glowing lights. That's creepy. I guess Locke finally got his sign. I don't want to even to begin to speculate what it was or what it means.

The Sawyer thing was very funny, but I felt kind of bad for him.

Updated Lost List:

Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences

Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic.

- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc.
- His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition.

Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.

John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability (paralysed from waist down).

-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed, now it seems that he may have lost them again.
-Is the only person known to have faced the Monster and survived.
-Seems to predict things on the island (occurrences, weather and direction) very accurately.
-When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left.
- Dreamt of a plane crashing and a horribly mauled Boone who mumbled about his nanny Teresa who fell down the stairs. Then proceeded to lead Boone directly to the place where the same plane (small, that had belonged to drug smugglers- heroin) had crashed

Connections: - Worked for the box company owned by Hurley.

Boone/Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. together after Boone was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend. He then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back together. Shannon speaks French.

- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body gruesomely mauled by the monster.
- Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not.

Sayid: Unknown

- The first one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him about a “disease� that had claimed her fellow castaways, and the “Black Rock� (later discovered by Hurley to be the site of a radio transmitter tower).

Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved.

Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.

- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering.

Connections: - Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback.
-Owned the box company for which Locke was working.

Michael/Walt/Vincent: Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.

- Walt seems to be able to think of animals (?) and make them appear, or come to him.
- Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.

Connections: Saw Sawyer in the police station in Australia.

Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.

Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.

- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash.
- Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.

Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.

Sun/Jin: Jin and Sun were in Sydney together for Jin’s job. He was “delivering watches� for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.

Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.

Sawyer (Thanks Geoff!): (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
Regarding Kate, didn't she rob the bank to get a toy plane from a safety deposit box that wasn't in her name? Then she tried to deceive/fight both Jack and Sawyer to gain possession of the plane when she found it on the island. I got the impression that it was somehow connected to the man she killed,

I found this episode with Kate and the plane to be nearly as mysterious as the whole numbers thing..
 

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Posted by Aeroth (Member # 6269) on :
 

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Was anyone able to make out what the voice on the radio said to Boone just as the plane began to fall? I wasn't able to make it out. It sounded like three syllables, followed by oceanic 815. Anyone?

--ApostleRadio

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The voice in the radio transmission said:

"There were no survivors of Oceanic 815."
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
This episode was WEIRD! What is up with Locke and the use and misuse of his legs? And did Boon actually get a transmission out?! Sounds to me like he did! And then the glowing orb at the end? I was expecting aliens to pop out or something!

And next week! So symbolic! Death and Life, all in the same episode. I can totally see it coming.
 

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Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
 
Thanks Aeroth, it was really bugging me!

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Hmm. Much to think about. I can't help comparing the pre-credits scene, where Locke demonstrates the mousetrap game and the basket coming down, with the plane coming down at the end. I guess the island is leading them along for some purpose. And yeah, the only reason I can think of for Locke being able to carry Boone back is that he suddenly was re-granted the use of his legs.

I've been hearing for a while that one of the major characters is going to die this season, it's certainly looking like that's going to be Boone. But then again, the writers/producers like to trick us about things like that
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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"There were no survivors of Oceanic 815."

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If they say this, it sounds like their bodies have all been found. Usually, until they know, the bodies would have been labelled "missing presumed dead", no? Why would you say such a thing to someone who clearly sounds like they're in trouble?

"Oh, sorry, you're dead."

Something's (more than it already is, of course) fishy.
 

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Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
 
I think the theory of they are already dead is a crappy one. If, somehow, that turned out to be the case, I would hate this show which i currently love.

Seriously, think about it. They have an 8 season story arc that ends with, Oh well, you were all dead anyway, so nothing matters. That would make me angry.

--ApostleRadio

By the way, did anyone catch the new show Eyes last night? It's from the same guy who created lost. I thought it was interesting, in the sense that this show set up a person as a main character and then killed him at the end of the show, which is what the creator wanted to do with lost by killing jack at the end of the first show, but ABC wouldn't let him. I guess the success of lost convinced them to give him a freer hand with Eyes.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
O.O <spoiler alert, if you hadn't already taken heed of the thread title; I was vague though.>

I get the feeling from this episode that it was really an "event" episode- other than the two major events, very little physically happened.

While this is fine in of itself, and overall the episode was very good, I didn't feel like the backstory idea worked in this episode. I thought it might be time to do a bit more weaving, perhaps showing clips that linked Boone, Jack and Claire, perhaps some that we had already seen. For instance, Jack's wedding could have been show in more dramatic terms, perhaps even in silence. Scenes could include:

-Boone watching Shannon as a teenager/child.
-Claire hearing the words of the psychic.
-Jack's wife (I've forgotten her name) in the emergency room.
-Boone boarding the plane with Shannon.
-Jack kissing his bride.

You get the idea. This episode could have been amazing had it broken the Lost-mold. It was all their lives, coming together around the Baby and the Death and the flashbacks should have reflected that. This episode had a lot of potential.

I think Firefly has enabled me to start critiquing tv, which is both a bad thing and a good thing.

Nothing supernatural happened this episode, so I'm not going to update the Lost List, unless someone else comes up with something .
 

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Posted by Aeroth (Member # 6269) on :
 
I agree. Not much story was developed in this episode, but it was entertaining nevertheless.

I also loved the ending. Perfect set-up for the next episode...

...which doesn't air until May. ABC. Always the tease.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
I missed all of last week's episode and the first half of this week's episode, but it seems that if Locke had really tried to kill Boone, he wouldn't have bothered to carry him back to Jack. What DID Locke do after he carried Boone? Anyone know?

If Boone got a message out, was it the island that killed him as an act of revenge?

I read the TV Guide interview with Sawyer and he said, "I like the idea that the island is alive. There's an energy of something there that feeds off our fears. It's like a big mirror forcing us to deal with our demons. I don't know if that's an evil thing or a positive."

It makes me wonder about motive. If the island is alive, it has worked pretty hard to collect and keep its human captives. What could a human offer an island?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Life and death. I was kind of hoping that I was wrong about that, but I'm glad that they let Boone go in this episode and didn't drag it out any longer. I think there was some good character development in this episode, despite the lack of linear storyline movement.

Jin: He hugged Charlie and danced with him like a little kid. He watched a woman have a baby without getting squicky or overly hyper. He was helpful, supportive and connected with Claire, even though they don't speak one another's language.

Kate: She did what she had to do and got to be better friends with Claire.

Jack: Yeah. Lots. His whole 'commitment' and 'letting go' thing was huge in this episode. I think we'll have a lot of denial, guilt and lashing out for a little while.

Claire: Hm. She feels guilty about not wanting the baby at first. She's HAPPY to have him.

Sun: She's the voice of reason, and Jack listens. This could prove to be helpful later on.

Shannon: Well. I haven't decided about Shannon.

I think we're going to have big guilt in the next little while...Locke guilt, Jack guilt, Shannon guilt. So much guilt. I hope it doesn't weigh the show down like it always did when someone died on ER.

And now I'm worried about Locke.
 

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Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 

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What DID Locke do after he carried Boone? Anyone know?

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Nothing supernatural happened this episode

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I think the fact that Boone died just about the same time as Claire's baby was born could be seen as "supernatural". A life for a life.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Hm. Good point, although I'm inclined to believe it was just poetic. I will add that as a possibility as soon as I get a moment .
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
While I'm really starting to hate Jack as a character (I can't BELIEVE that the episode about Boone's death and the baby's birth was all about Jack), I agree with his conclusion: Locke killed Boone.

Locke told Boone about the plane and assured him of the validity of the dream, but left out the "you were covered in blood and incoherently moaning" part. He should have told him, so Boone could decide to take the risk himself. I'm sure Locke is complex and all, but he cared more about his own mystery than Boone's life. He killed him.

[ April 07, 2005, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I had forgotten that Locke also saw Boone covered in blood. I hadn't thought about the fact that he ignored that.

I still don't think he was guilty of anything but overexuberance. He was screaming for Boone to get out of the plane as soon as it started moving.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I'm inclined to agree with zgator. Locke was yelling for Boone to get out of the plane as soon as he saw that it was unsafe, Boone was just too intent on contacting someone with the radio to listen. I think if it's anyone's "fault," it's the Island God's (or whatever is controlling things)--it took away Locke's mobility just exactly long enough to make it so Boone had to be the one to go up in the plane. Locke was so intent on finding the plane that I'd be willing to bet he just forgot about Boone being covered with blood in the dream. He shouldn't have lied to Jack about what happened, though.
 

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Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
 
Locke was obeying the island. Maybe it wanted Boone to die.

[edit: You beat me, Stray ]

[ April 07, 2005, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: imenimok ]
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 

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I'd be willing to bet he just forgot about Boone being covered with blood in the dream.

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2) They said the easy part about jack getting off cocaine is he hasn't had any temptation. What was on the plane? Cocaine. They said that is going to come into play.

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2. Which Lost episode has been your favorite to do? Do you have a favorite scene, too?
To be honest, I think that the Boone/Shannon and the Hurley episodes are great. My favorite scene is the moment in which Sawyer tells Jack that he met his father in Sydney. What a beautiful moment for Jack!

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"You'll never stop the Simpsons! Have no fear, they've got stories for years. Like maybe Marge becomes a robot, or maybe Moe gets a cell phone, has Bart ever owned a bear? How 'bout a crazy wedding! Where something happens, do-do, do-do, do-do-do! We're sorry for the clip show!"

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Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
 
hmm. the titles of the last 2 episodes (exodus pts 1 and 2) make it sound like they get off the island. Of course, that can't actually happen since that would end the series...and they have to be planning a second season. I wonder if some people try to flee, and drown or something...or maybe they get off the island to find the rest of the world is messed up as well.

I can't wait to see what happens.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I assume, Lupus, that it involves the raft that Michael and Jin are building.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
And Sawyer. Don't forget Sawyer's contribution to building the raft.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
*bump*

Walt is shaping up to be the pivotal character next week.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
Does anyone else think Michael is a lousy parent for planning on bringing Walt with him on the raft? Taking a young boy out on the open sea on a raft when you have no idea at all where you're going doesn't seem like good parenting to me.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
Thats the point, Michael isn't a good father yet. He and Walt have not spent much time together and Michael hasn't learned the ways of parenting.
 

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Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
Sawyer was incredible this week. He pulled Jack off Locke, he talked for the baby, he HELPED.

I think Jack's gonna run himself into the ground here pretty soon.

Ni!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Yeah, Sawyer was pretty nice this week. The reading thing was very funny (and sweet!).

I missed most of it by talking on AIM! I completely forgot! I saw the last fifteen minutes. *hangs head*
 

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Posted by Vána (Member # 6593) on :
 
I was so thrilled to have more of Sayid's story. And wow, poor Shannon - I hope that she is soon very greatful to Sayid for stopping her. I think she would have regretted it forever if she'd killed Locke. *shudder*
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
*bump

Geoff, check out page 9.
 

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Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
 
Thanks for finding this! I guess that since "Lost" is in quotes in the title, the search feature didn't pick it up ...
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Yeah. I didn't find it using the search. The search was working great when the site first came back up, but today, it isn't working at all.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Why do they have to keep teasing? Why is she on the run? What did she do?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Her own mother was terrified of her.

Whatever it is everyone _thought_ she did, it's clear that it's something pretty hideous.

That moment when Walt touched Locke and sensed the Hatch was truly creepy.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences/Connections/Other

Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic.

- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc.
- His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition.

Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.

John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability (paralysed from waist down).

-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed, now it seems that he may have lost them again.
-Is the only person known to have faced the Monster and survived.
-Seems to predict things on the island (occurrences, weather and direction) very accurately.
-When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left.
- Saw the hatchway of the underground bunker thing light up.
- Dreamt of a plane crashing and a horribly mauled Boone who mumbled about his nanny Teresa who fell down the stairs. Then proceeded to lead Boone directly to the place where the same plane (small, that had belonged to drug smugglers- heroin) had crashed.
- Walt read his mind about the underground bunker thing.

Connections: - Worked for the box company owned by Hurley.

Boone: Traveling back to the U.S. with Shannon after he was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend who then abandoned her and ran off with the money. Boone was killed after climbing a cliff to get at a plane seen in a vision by Locke.

- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body gruesomely mauled by the monster.
- Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not.
- Seen in a vision by Locke talking about a Nanny (Teresa) who fell down the stairs.

Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. with Boone after tricking him into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend. Her boyfriend then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back with Boone. Shannon speaks French.

- Seen in Boone’s hallucination, mauled by the beast.

Sayid: Going back to the U.S. from Australia in order to meet up with the woman (Nadia) he saved from the death squad after causing his friend (“Assam�) to shoot himself. His friend is in Australia to take part in a suicide

- The first one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him about a “disease� that had claimed her fellow castaways, and the “Black Rock� (later discovered by Hurley to be the site of a radio transmitter tower).

Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved, who was accidentally shot while they Kate was on the run from the police.

Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.

- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering.

Connections: - Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback.
-Owned the box company for which Locke was working.

Michael: Travelling back to the States with Walt after the death of Walt’s mother.

- Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.

Walt : Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.

- Walt seems to be able to think of animals (?) and make them appear, or come to him.
- Walt, without having seen the underground bunker thing, warned Locke not to open it. He is telepathic, but it only seemed to work when Locke touched him.

Vincent: The dog (golden retriever) that belonged to Walt’s stepfather and traveling with him.

- May be connected to the dog who visited Locke’s mother.

Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.

Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.

- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash.
- Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.

Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.

Sun/Jin: Jin and Sun were in Sydney together for Jin’s job. He was “delivering watches� for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.

- Not supernatural, but Sun has extensive knowledge of herbs- enough to poison Michael.

Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.

Sawyer (Thanks Geoff!): (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.

[ May 14, 2005, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
This episode was very gripping. I knew Ted was going to be shot the minute he stepped in the car. I was screaming at the television! Goodness, this show is intense.

So Kate put Sun up to poison Jin- and it was clear she wasn't just helping Sun, the look in her eyes said it all; she wants off.

I liked seeing some input from Random Science Teacher- that was kind of nice. It also gave us a clue about how much we are missing of the other characters. Clearly, the characters are familiar with each other, and yet we only ever see the very core "ruling elite" of the group.

I am very frightened about why Walt was so afraid that they would open it. What could be in it? People? Dead or Alive? and Why? Supplies? Weapons? More polar bears? What is made so it can only be opened from the inside?

Also, Locke saw the window glow and yet we have heard nothing of that. Would that make him want to open it more? Did he see anything? Has he forgotten what he saw?

There are so many questions! This show has too many questions!
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Crap. Today's Wednesday!

When's this show come out on DVD?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
The Season One boxed set will be released September 6th, 2005.
 

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Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
 
Thanks, Puffy. I'll be putting that on the to do list.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
You might want to update the list on Boone being dead now.

And why not mention the mysterious light Locke saw?

It's sure to be significant.

[ May 15, 2005, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
You have Sayid listed as Reason for Travel unknown. Wasn't he going to meet that woman after he took care of his friend's body?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Is no one else going to comment on this week's episode?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Kate will ultimately be revealed as evil.

That, in fact...she really has been just "biding her time" all this while.

She's not unsympathetic, but I think when we find out why she was a fugitive and why her own mother was scared of her...that we'll agree about her being subjected to the law.


It would make quite a gut-wrenching twist, wouldn't it?

The "misunderstood beauty" has really been playing everyone like a two-dollar fiddle all this time.

That's my thought, anyway.

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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You have Sayid listed as Reason for Travel unknown. Wasn't he going to meet that woman after he took care of his friend's body?

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Thanks! I missed most of that week's episode, so what happened in that episode was rather foggy. I'll go and change that right now.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Yeah, he didn't want his friend to be cremated.
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
There was an interesting theory that Leonide read in a magazine that I think is worth bringing up.

We've mentioned how most people on the island feel some sort of guilt about something or are looking for redemption. But also, most of the people on the island have had some sort of issues with their fathers.

Jack and his father.
Sawyer's father killed his mother and then himself right?
Locke's father scammed him out of a kidney and this led to however he loses his legs i'm guessing.
Jin was embarressed of his father.
Sun had issues with her father in general.
Walt definitely has issues with his father!
Michael has issues about being a father(not his fault)
Kate? in the most recent episode it seems like she wanted to run away from a bad home environment for some reason. And her mother was afraid of her. I'm betting she killed her father or something like that(who had been abusing her).
Hurley?
Sayid?
Shannon?
Boone?
Charlie?
Claire?

Obviously I don't have something for everyone, but I think its enough to be an interesting idea. What it all means, I don't know.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Okay, maybe it's just me, but I'd bet money that Kate killed her father/step-father who was molesting her. She was on the run/wanted for that when she went to visit her mother and go Mackenzie Astin (Tom) killed and now she's really wanted.

Now, we just need to know what happened between the time of the car accident and the bank vault. I'm guessing she either escaped or was incarcerated and escaped, she enlisted others to help with the bank robbery, but had no problem killing them to get what she wanted.

(BTW, Mackenzie Astin and Dominic Monaghan used to be roommates, and Dominic Monaghan was in LoTR with Mackenzie's brother Sean.)

Have we mentioned the Numbers thing yet? From the Torah? 4th book, chapter 8, verses 15 and 16?

15 "After you have purified the Levities and presented them as a wave offering, they are to come to do their work at the Tent of Meeting. 16 They are the Israelites who are to be given wholly to me. I have taken them as my own in place of the firstborn, the first male offspring from every Israelite woman."

I would think Rivka, or the LDS members here would know a lot more about the Levities than I do. Doesn't their story somehow resemble what's happening on the island? (More number stuff. Four cities from each tribe, 48 cities in all.) I'm remembering sanctuary/asylum from their crimes, but if they leave, they'll be held accountable. I seem to recall that being ancient law about getting sanctuary in the church.

Oh, and in Pandora's box, all the bad stuff flying out of the box is described as "horrid little brown-winged creatures, closely resembling moths." And the episode that featured Charlie was titled "The Moth."

Which, of course, makes me wonder what other mythology is going on. Is this show more about religion, or mythology. Or a combination of the two?


I was go mention that Kate and Tom buried their time capsule on 8/18/1989 which was 16 years ago, but I wanted to check to make sure I hadn't hallucinated that information. Look what I found. Holy numbers, Batman!

http://thenumbers.greatestjournal.com/


Also, if you put in 4 8 15 latitude and 162 3 42 longitude, you end up northeast of Australia in the Pacific Ocean. That is north of Fiji, which is close to where they were supposed to have crashed, right?

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp

Okay, I have to stop now. I'm getting a little obsessed.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Wow, those numbers! This is an insane show!

I think it was called The Moth because of the moth that featured quite heavily in the plot of that particular episode...
 

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Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
 
Quick comments on Teschi's compilation of "Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences/Connections/Other" above.

1. Vincent is a Yellow Labrador, not a Golden Retriever.
2. There's a flashback connection between Boone and Sawyer: In the episode "Hearts and Minds", Sawyer is at the same police station that Boone visited to get help for Shannon.
 

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Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
 
You know, the name "Ethan Rom" is an anagram of "Other Man". In the previews, isn't Danielle warning the survivors about the "Others"? ...
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 

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Kayla, it's not just you. check out the post directly above yours.
 

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Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
 
It seems to me that Charlie's episode was called "The Moth" because he kept returning to his drugs like a moth to a flame. I doubt it's a Pandora reference.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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You know, the name "Ethan Rom" is an anagram of "Other Man". In the previews, isn't Danielle warning the survivors about the "Others"? ...

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I always figured that Ethan had got a hold of a Royal Ontario Museum leaflet or that one of the scientists had been from there, and then when he was asked about his name and home the first thing that came to his mind was 'ROM' (as the museum is known) and 'Ontario'.


 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 

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You know, for those of you too young to remember, RST was actually on Matlock.

Of course, he was also in The Fugitive, U.S. Marshals, and Agent Cody Banks, but I figured everyone would remember him best from Matlock.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
Anyone use Closed Captioning?

Distant gasping? It sounded more like distant barking. I thought it was the dog yelping. Gasping?
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
A dingo stole my baby!



I've been waiting for that to happen.

(No, it's not a spoiler. It's in the coming attractions for next week.)
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Did _anyone_ expect The Black Rock to be _that_?
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
AAARGH! I can't wait for next week.

But what's worse, then I have to wait all summer...
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
I thought it sounded like a dog at first, too. And, no, I didn't expect the black rock to be a ship that looks to be of about Bounty vintage.

I love that Walt gave Vincent to what's-her-face. She definitely needs a dog. But what was that with Sayid in the flashback, where she walked off after he asked her to watch his bag and then turned him in as a "suspicious Arab" just to get what she wanted. The thing I want to know is that if she's even aware now (within the story) that it was Sayid. Or that Sayid knows it was her.

And, I'm amazed that Sawyer told Jack about talking to Jack's dad.

Interesting episode. A little bit of everything. But did it seem to anyone else like there were an awful lot of commercials in this episode?
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
There's always an awful lot of commercials. They know there's a ton of people watching the show, so they cram in as many as they can.

Great show! I can't wait for next week, and yet I know it's going to end on a cliffhanger that'll leave me fretting over it all summer

Sawyer with his shirt off, all sweaty, and behaving like a decent human being...*swoons* I'm actually starting to like the guy
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
That's why it runs till 8:02 or whatever. The shows aren't actually longer. There's just more commercials.
 

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Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
 
Yeah, the scene with Sawyer was breathtaking.
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Was there a new Episode last night? I can't find a bittorrent.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Yes, there was a new episode.

The FrenchWoman returned, revealed details about "The Others" _and_ "The Monster".

The Black Rock was finally seen.

Sun and Jin reconciled.

Sawyer told Jack about Jack's father.

Walt gave Vincent to Shannon.

The raft left the island.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 

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That's it, isn't it? You keep wanting him to be a good guy cause you've got the hots for him.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
I can only speak for myself, cause I didn't like him all that much when he was being a jackass, but I do have the hots for him and will continue to have them as long as he behaves reasonably well I think Sawyer needs to have his own show where he wanders around sweaty and shirtless, possibly reading aloud to babies.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
*already jittery with anticipation*

just under four hours to go...
 

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Posted by ChaosTheory (Member # 7069) on :
 
Spoiler:


Dude I was so not expecting the certain explosion at the certain place.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Uh... spoiler, too.

He blew up!

SWEEEEEEET!
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Locke with a face of pure terror. I'm SOOOOO wanting to know what he saw.
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 
AAAAARG.

All tease, no payoff.

AAAAARG.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
I thought it was spectacular. Creepy and twisty.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
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A)It's an 8 season arc, so I'm not sure why you thought there'd be any pay-off.

B)How could you not be totally expecting that explosion?

C)This is the Locke I've been expecting. He is sounding more and more like Peter Watts every episode.

D)So, did they take Walt instead of the baby? I mean, do you think that those guys were "the others"?

E)How cool was that smokey thing?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
It was a bit, eh, Taalcon? But so involving. I really liked the ending montage of them all getting on the plane, but of course it was pretty much sentimental mush...

Well, one thing we did learn is that something is underneath the island. I'm starting to think this is more science fictiony that spiritually magic, i.e. that there are crazy people living underneath the island who have an obsession with children. They are more technological than actual fate, magic, spiritual, etc.

I'm guessing the people on the boat were Scott's people- they had the same ragged, dirty yet somehow quasi-civilized look about them, as if they kind of had an idea about how to live.

Was it only me or did I see little ghost-like black clouds flitting around the scene? There was the shadow that Jack and Kate saw, then there was the same sort of thing for a moment over Locke, then, after they blew up whatever got Locke something black flitted out the hole, then zipped away.

Looked to me like the monster was all show, like a Disney World monster; surround sound and cracking branches, flying wood and explosions in the floor, but no actual monster. Locke did seem to see something, but of course he's actually already faced the monster...

And then there's the problem of the mauled bodies, like that of the pilot, who had clearly been eaten by something, and was grabbed, and unless there's a clever mechanical creature... Hm, interesting.

I liked the tunnel rather than there actually being something to hide in. I had heard a theory that it might be pandoras box-ish, but I like the tunnel better than that.

Mysteries:

1. Why the show of the black smoke? Who was keeping it burning? What's it for? They didn't try to capture anyone- Danielle Rousseau waited and there was no one there. The black smoke didn't drive Walt into their arms, and he seems to be the one they one they wanted.

2. Danielle was somehow involved with Claire's kidnapping. What does that mean? Did she save Claire and return her? Is she somehow involved with Scott's people?

3. What use is a child? They took Danielle's- that didn't do much good. What use is Walt?



EDIT: Ah, so Kayla you did see a smokey creature thing? I'm not imagining things?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
"Dude. You have some Arnst on you."

Anyway...Walt's unusual powers might be why they wanted him.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Yeah, I thought of that, but unless they've got spies (!) how would thet know? We hardly know!
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Maybe _they_ have powers too?

*wiggles fingers*

SPOOKY!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
(I've just realised that the pandora box theory was from here- I also heard it from my friend, so I got confused- sorry)
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Um, Teshi, I think maybe you mean Ethan instead of Scott? The guy who kidnapped Claire? Scott is the guy he killed when they wouldn't give Claire back.

This certainly provided a lot of food for thought. I wonder if the others kidnapped Claire in hopes of holding her until she had the baby, and if so, what they wanted the baby for. What would they even do with it? How would they raise it? A week-old baby can't eat fish and fruit. They'd have to have a whole tribe of people, complete with women nursing babies of their own to provide milk, if they were going to raise the baby and not kill it. I'm not so sure that the guys on the boat are the same "the others" as Danielle was talking about, I think they may just be pirates or something. But who knows.

*whimpers* Is it fall yet?
 

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Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
 
I got a pirate vibe from the guys on the boat too. I was wondering if maybe they sell kids into slavery or something like that. Or maybe they collect kids for "the others". I kinda figured that "the others" stick to the island themselves, but you never know. I guess we'll have to wait a few months to find out.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Dammit, I liked Arnst and they killed him off.

Grrr!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
How did Arnst die? I missed the first 30 minutes of the finale, so I knew he was dead but not how.
 

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Posted by DavidR (Member # 7473) on :
 

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SPOILER ALERT . . . SPOILER ALERT

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Arnst went with the group because he insisted that he knew how to handle explosives. Anyways, while explaining the instability of Nytroglycerin while holding a stick of dynamite that was sweating the stuff, Arnst go BOOM!!!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Ah, crazy. I recall him lecturing that they needed his help in handling it (only to have him try to run away at one point while going there). Sort of interesting that it was the dynamite that did him in. I thought maybe it was the monster thing guarding the ship. Oh well. Thanks for the info.
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
Well, now we know where the polar bear comic book came from - it was Hurley's.

And it's really bothering me that Charlie took off with one of the statues with the heroin in it. Of course, we knew that would happen as soon as Boone found it. Still, I think it sucks.
 

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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Now it is just a matter of if he will use it or not.


Kwea
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Sun and Jin are married.
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Or if someone will discover it before he can use it. Plenty of confrontation could come from there.
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 

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1. Why the show of the black smoke? Who was keeping it burning? What's it for? They didn't try to capture anyone- Danielle Rousseau waited and there was no one there. The black smoke didn't drive Walt into their arms, and he seems to be the one they one they wanted.

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What would be so difficult about a group of them taking off down the coastline and finding out, at the very least, how big the place is and what its main features are? That seems so elementary to me. Did I miss something where somebody has already done this? I don't think so. Heck, how do they even know it's an island? [/QB]

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Locke has done that. As has Sayid. The rest wanted to stay in one spot in case rescuers came.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Did _anyone_ see the "Lost Scene" they were supposed to play earlier on "Good Morning America"?

I over-slept!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Yes. Think about the parting scene between Jin and Sun. It was really tender, really drawn out, really focused on. I got the feeling he was doomed.

When the light went on in the shaft, surely Locke knew there was a tunnel down there. He must have seen, unless the light was too bright for him to make anything out. If he knew there was nothing but a ladder and a tunnel, that throws a whole different light on Locke and somewhat expains his willingness to go underground. He knew there was something down there, therefore he knew that being dragged in was no necessarily a deathwish.

I like that Jack is now wary of Locke. I feel that Locke, although he may be well-meaning, is a bit of trouble.

One thing I liked about Arnst was the fact that he actually commented on the fact that there are other people on the island other than the familiar main characters. This makes me wonder if there will be some kind of confrontation between the two groups- a demand to be involved. How that will be resolved, I don't know, because it might be an issue to include everyone in the plots.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
It's Arzt! There's no N!

U of U guy, yes. Sayid tried to walk the coastline to see how big the island was and was abducted by Danielle and tortured. Locke and Boone have been "hunting" inland, but they all stay away from the "dark territory" because it scares the hell out of them. There are huge polar bears and other weird animals there. And funky smoke thingies.
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
Ah, I thought so. So, although Sayid has attempted (but not completed) a circuit of the island, and Locke has tramped all over portions of it, no one has made a complete survey. I don't know, I think I would make that a priority before taking off in a dinky raft. Or, perhaps, I would still build the raft, but use it to sail along the coast and make a kind of survey that way.

I keep thinking of some old movie or TV show where people who thought they were shipwrecked on a desert island were actually only a short distance from a major resort. Boy, did they feel stupid when they found out. Not that I think that will happen here, but I would still want to know some basic information about the "island."
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Something is definitely fishy about the Island. Right back in part 2 of the pilot, it was established that there was a distress signal playing for 16 years without an answer.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Puffy: That was Danielle Rousseau's signal. When Sayid met her, and asked her if it was her, she said, "has it really been that long"?

It's also not a very strong distress signal.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
I know it was her signal.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Wow, Jin was injured? I saw him dive in after Sawyer, but didn't realize that he'd been hit.

My original theory was that Rousseau just wanted the baby and she made up all that crap about the others just so they'd be afraid of the black smoke. Totally shot down. The others must exist.

Other thoughts:

1) Whoever said that Lock might have known about the 'underground' because of what he saw in the hatch window might be right. He did seem awfully willing to be sucked under.

2) Why does the monster make mechanical noises like a chain and gear? Did we SEE that monster? Is he just that black smoke?

3) Why does Jack insist on putting himself in danger when he's the doctor? He has a serious hero complex.

4) I too felt like Hurley actually has GOOD luck and that good luck was trying to keep him off the plane. He seems to be one of the only ones that doesn't have major baggage/issues and he possibly wasn't 'brought' there like the rest of them supposedly were.

5) Didn't you love "Who the hell is Hugo and why is he giving his mother $160,000?"

6)Rousseau is extremely creepy and she makes me very nervous. She's still very dangerous in my opinion. Why are they all ok with the fact that she knocked Sayid on the head and held him captive? Even Sayid is ok with it! And now that Claire has memory of scratching her sometime during her captivity...I just hope they're not stupid enough to pat her on the head and say "Oh, poor crazy lady. We have to be nice to her."

7) This wasn't as cliffy as I was expecting. I expected to be slavering for a resolution and I wasn't. I couldn't bring myself to care very much about the hatch or even 'The Others.' The only mildly irritating thing is those three guys swimming around in the ocean without a raft and two of them with bullet wounds.
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
No, I don't think Jin was shot. But when he hurled himself into the water after Sawyer, and wasn't seen again, I got a bad feeling about him. I don't know why -- there's really nothing to base it on.
 

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Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
 
3) Why does Jack insist on putting himself in danger when he's the doctor? He has a serious hero complex.

I think this may have something to do with the hippocratic oath, maybe he takes it one step further.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I know, but doesn't he realize that when he risks his life, he's effectively risking the lives of everyone on the island? They need him!! He should know that. Kate is definitely more expendable than him.

And what's that "I need you to have my back?" He was being annoying in that whole sequence. I don't have a huge love for Locke either, but I don't think that Jack should start forming alliances already.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 

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Obviously you've never been stranded on a deserted island before. That's actually the first thing you do. Don't you watch Survivor?
 

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Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
 
"I'm voting off Locke. You're a decent guy, and you played the game well. But your little secrets...well, and the fact that you're crazy... make me feel that it'll be better for all of us if you're out of this tribe. Bye, buddy."
 

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Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
 
I still like Locke. He is obssessed by his love and gratitude to the island for making him feel whole and necessary, but I don't think that he is crazy. His biggest flaw is that his concern for his fellow castaways is secondary to his attraction to the island, but that doesn't mean that he will willingly kill his fellow castaways. (Obviously, I don't believe he intended Boone's death.)

Kate is the one that squicks me out right now. Her mother fears her and she keeps using deception to accomplish thoroughly self indulgent ends that endanger those around her.

If we have to vote someone off, I'd boot Kate.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
I think that a big part of next season's story will revolve around Locke and Jack competing for power. In fact, they might get back to the whole "split camp" idea again. It was clear in their discussions that they were having a hard time listening to each other.

I loved Artz and his speech about "the other 40 survivors" who are somewhat envious of the "main group" which has formed a sort of "in crowd." Very funny. Until he blew up, that is.

I think we won't be surprised by the fact that the raft and crew are probably within close proximity to the island...I don't think the island gives up its people that easily. Things get sucked to it, not just planes as we have seen with the Black Rock.

I don't think they will kill Jin off that quickly (though the actor jokes in an interview he thought he would be the first to go). Maybe they will have their own separate story for a while as they land on another portion of the island.

I loved that we have now "seen" the monster...it was all pretty literally smoke and mirrors. Cool! I think the grabby thingy is something different. I like the mechanical sound of it. I wonder if it will be some Jules Verne-esque old timey science fiction device. It just had a "steam punk" feel to it. Doesn't feel modern at all. I think Locke was scared of it at first because it was clearly man-made vs. some holy or spirtual beast of nature to be worshiped. I liked when he finally realized that it wasn't something natural and he turned and made hasty retreat.

Did the Lost producers get to keep the show in Hawaii? That would be a huge switch if they had to film it in the US. I think that type of terrain and foliage is tough to replicate on the mainland.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
But didn't Locke see the "monster" early in the series? I remember him looking up at it with a smile on his face.

And this goes way back, but I could swear I remember monster noises, for lack of a better term, when the pilot was pulled out of the cockpit. They weren't mechanical noises.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Yeah. But really, his face was pure terror when he looked up at it this time. Why the change?
 

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Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
 
The "lost" scene was between Charlie and Claire. Claire admits that, even though she escaped, she's always believed "they" would come back for her (or the baby), and Charlie deduces that that's why she hadn't named the baby.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
It surprised me when Locke looked up in terror. He walked back to it calmly while everyone else was running away. He obviously was not expecting what he saw. Maybe what he saw before and what chewed on the pilot was something different.

Why was everyone so charged to hide in the hatch? Locke I can understand because of his love of the island. But why everyone else? If I was trying to find a place to hide from the Others, that would be the last place I would go. It would seem like the most likely place to find them.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Does the name "Aarron/Aaron/Aran" actually come from something?

The name "Aaron", according to babynames.com, means "Enlightened" or "To Sing", in case anyone was wondering. It's Hebrew.

I was angry at Jack for putting himself in danger, too. I was surprised no one pointed out that his skill were invaluable to the group.
 

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Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
 
Did anyone else notice the numbers on the soccer players jerseys? I didn't, but Pop did.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
The numbers were popping up freakin' everywhere in the last hour of the show. The flight was departing from gate 23, the guy who Hurley bought the scooter from had an 8 on his cap (I think it was 8), when Hurley's car broke down the speedometer went from 16kph to 15, then it cut away to something else, and when it cut back to the speedometer it was going from 8 to 4. Plus the soccer players, and a ton of other appearances; too many for me to remember (or even notice at the time, I saw a writeup of them later).
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
O.o

Anyway:

Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences/Connections/Other Important Things

Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic. Is no longer married.

- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc.
- His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition.
- Has seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/�security system�.

Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.

John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability (paralysed from waist down).

-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed, briefly seemed to be losing them during the episode with Boone, but got them back.
-Is the only person known to have faced the Monster and survived. Twice. He has also seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/�security system�.
-Seems to predict things on the island (occurrences, weather and direction) very accurately.
-When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left.
- Saw the hatchway of the underground bunker thing light up.
- Dreamt of a plane crashing and a horribly mauled Boone who mumbled about his nanny Teresa who fell down the stairs. Then proceeded to lead Boone directly to the place where the same plane (small, that had belonged to drug smugglers- heroin) had crashed.
- Walt read his mind about the underground bunker thing.

Connections: - Worked for the box company owned by Hurley.

Boone: Traveling back to the U.S. with Shannon after he was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend who then abandoned her and ran off with the money. Boone was killed after climbing a cliff to get at a plane seen in a vision by Locke.

- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body gruesomely mauled by the monster.
- Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not.
- Seen in a vision by Locke talking about a Nanny (Teresa) who fell down the stairs.

Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. with Boone after tricking him into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive� boyfriend. Her boyfriend then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back with Boone. Shannon speaks French.

- Seen in Boone’s hallucination, mauled by the beast.

Connections: In the airport, Sayid left his bag with Shannon to watch for a moment, which she then, out of spite, reported to the airport authorities.

Sayid: Going back to the U.S. from Australia in order to meet up with the woman (Nadia) he saved from the death squad after causing his friend (“Assam�) to shoot himself after he double crossed him in return for the Nadia’s location.

- The first one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him about a “disease� that had claimed her fellow castaways, and the “Black Rock�, a shipwrecked slave ship later found to be containing dynamite.

Connections: In the airport, Sayid left his bag with Shannon to watch for a moment, which she then, out of spite, reported to the airport authorities.

Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved, who was accidentally shot while Kate was on the run from the police.

- Has seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/�security system�.

Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.

- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering.
- It seemed that something was trying to stop Hurley from getting on the plane.

Connections: - Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback.
-Owned the box company for which Locke was working.

Michael: Travelling back to the States with Walt (and Vincent) after the death of Walt’s mother. Was not planning on raising Walt himself.

- Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.

Walt : Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.

- Walt seems to be able to think of animals/things (?) and make them appear, or come to him, as demonstrated with a polar bear and a comic book belonging to Hurley.
- Walt, without having seen the underground bunker thing, warned Locke not to open it. He is telepathic, but it only seemed to work when Locke touched him.
- Has now been kidnapped by The Others who seem to want him for something.

Vincent: The dog (golden retriever) that belonged to Walt’s stepfather and traveling with him.

- May be connected to the dog who visited Locke’s mother.

Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.

Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.

- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash.
- Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.

Aaron: Claire’s baby.

- According to the psychic, he must be raised by Claire herself.
- Kidnapped once by Ethan, once by Danielle.

Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney. Addicted to heroin.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.

Sun: Sun was in Sydney with Jin for his job. He was “delivering watches� for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.

- Not supernatural, but Sun has extensive knowledge of herbs- enough to poison Michael.

Jin: Jin was in Sydney with Sun for his job. He was “delivering watches� for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.

Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.

Sawyer : (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person, as well as to kill the person, as well as being forced out of Australia by the Authorities.

- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.

[ May 27, 2005, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 

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Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic. He may be married.

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(Locke) Got the use of his legs back when crash landed, now it seems that he may have lost them again.

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Or not.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oops. *goes to fix*
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Sawyer told Walt that he was going back to America in order to kill a man. I don't recall if he said why.

We know from the episode prior that he was being forcibly deported from the country by order of the Aussie authorities.

You can add that both Jack and Kate have seen some kind of shadowy, smoky, super-fast thing that appears to be part of or connected with the Monster/"Security System" of the Island.

And that Michael, Sawyer, and Jin are now boatless at sea...Sawyer probaby injured. o_o
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
For connections, Shannon told airport security that Sayid had walked off and left his bag.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Done and done.

(Congrats on 4000, zgator )
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Did you mention that we saw Sawyer in the police station during Boone's episode? In handcuffs?
 

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Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
 
There's a weird hint at the viral-marketing "Oceanic Air" site that suggests that the invisible monster was originally meant to look like a giant mapinguari with tentacles and machine parts, shrouded in smoke. And it refers to some character named "West" whom we have yet to meet ...
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Interesting...using the Oceanic Airlines site you can track flight 815...which, of course, was tragically lost. Here is the flight information:

815 Alert SYD 14:04 14:08 15 LAX 03:16 03:23 42


Hmmm....
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
The content of the Oceanic Airlines flight seems to refute the idea that the Lost bunch will get off the island only to discover the world has been deserted, yes? A company whose employees have all disappeared can hardly announce its own closure.
 

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Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
 
I never realized the thing with Walt imagining the polar bear from the comic book. It makes sense though
cool
 

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Posted by imenimok (Member # 7679) on :
 
How do I get to the Oceanic site?

[edit: found it]

[ May 28, 2005, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: imenimok ]
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
The "Unofficial Fan" website for Charlie's band, "DriveSHAFT".

If this is a genuine tie-in website, then it would seem to the confirm that the outside world is going on fairly normally...despite the incredible weirdness of the Island situation.
 

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Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
 
Interesting.

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Fact - The signal from Flight 815's black box stopped transmitting. The so-called 'black box' was designed to be able to transmit from anywhere 'on earth'. The only way the signal could be stopped is if it was out of range, i.e. off this earth.

Fact ­ Exploration into the backgrounds of several of the passengers turned up several who had no history. No driver's licenses, no social security numbers. They were essentially people who 'do not exist.' You might say that they had lied about their names or were traveling on false documents, however, it is well known that these people are most often government spooks traveling secretly throughout the world.

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So I wonder who had no documents? Kate, I guess. But who else?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Kate was travelling under the custody of a U.S. Marshall. I think she'd be one of the most "document heavy" passengers on the entire plane.

I'm really not sure if any of the "core" castaways would fit that description. Maybe Sawyer, but he was being deported...so maybe not.

Hmmmm...

Of course, since this is supposedly from a column in a UFO conspiracy magazine, it might be a red herring.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Boone's mother and other "affluent" family members of the Lost passengers have created a fund to keep the search going...

A possible sub-plot for Season 2?

Plus has Harold Wollstein ever been mentioned or seen? I don't recall. "Secret Nanotechnology Research"...hmmm...
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
That 'article' about Boone's mother had me getting upset! It's not real! It's not real!

How truthfully can we take these sites? Are they just fans extrapolating or are they actually related to the TV show people/writers?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
That's a good question.

The DriveSHAFT site claims that it's not affiliated with "Bad Robot" or ABC...but in the sense that "The Band is REAL!".

So it might be a "viral marketing" site...or just an elaborate fan-site.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Awk! A friend on another board posted some screen captures from episode one of the pilot, one of the earliest scenes.

One can see Jack on the beach, talking with a woman (who looks like Claire. It's been so long since I saw the pilot that I can't remember.)

In the background one can see the wreckage of turbine on the beach before it blew up. (from some hapless castaway being sucked in, or so I thought)

The screen caps show a SHADOWY, FAST-MOVING SMOKEY THING racing towards the turbine, hitting it, just as the castaway was sucked in.

It looks almost exactly like the things seen in the finale.

Did anyone remark on this before?
 

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Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
I thought the smoke thing may be a side-effect of someone shooting at it and it being dammaged. That would explain the new, mechanical sounds, too.

Though ity could be something else entirely, what do I know?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Holy cow. Did the monster steal the turbine and start using it? Or somehow take on the form of the turbine? That would immediately explain the mangled bodies that were found. They all looked like they had been caught in something and torn up...

*jaw drops* That would be incredible.
 

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Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
 
Another connection:

When Hurley is rushing to get to the airport, he's unable to get on the crowded elevator. Inside the elevator, one of the passengers is Charley...
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Dunno if anyone's posted this, but here's how to watch the "Lost Season Two Teaser".

Go to Oceanic Air

Under "Travellers" type 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42...in that order.

This will take you to the Seating Chart.

Click the numbers in that order again. The trailer for Season Two will play. Afterwards, you're redirected to What appears to be the new Official LOST website!
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Wow. That trailer was more of a cliff hanger than the entire season finale was!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
The Monster does sound really mechanical, doesn't it?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Just skipped a whole bunch of posts, but from Locke it's been noted that, "When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left." Isn't Walt's (now Shannon's) dog a Golden Retriever? He got it when his mom died, and then gave it to Shannon when Boone died.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Did anyone notice a pink script page on the Oceanic main page? I'm still trying to read it, but if you click around that yellow box, you should get a thing that lets you drag around. (I know those are terrible instructions, but I'm not really sure how I found it.)
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Still exploring Oceanic page, does anyone know who Edward Mars is?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Isn't Walt's (now Shannon's) dog a Golden Retriever? He got it when his mom died, and then gave it to Shannon when Boone died.

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The screen caps show a SHADOWY, FAST-MOVING SMOKEY THING racing towards the turbine, hitting it, just as the castaway was sucked in.

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Note: Walt's dog is a YELLOW LABRADOR. A Golden Retriever is an entirely different breed.

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Originally posted by zgator:
To get the pink sheet, run your mouse over the bottom area under Important Announcement and a gray bar will appear on the right side of the announcement. You can grab the bar and pull it out revealing the pink sheet.

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Originally posted by Strider:
Sayid reacts interestingly to what she says. Like he's clued into the fact that something is up, and she's not crazy.

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Sayid has heard unseen voices whispering too.
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
hmmm...good point.

maybe in all that whispering, that's what he heard too.

you think the whispering can be some sort of trick of sound coming from whatever underground area the hatch, and/or the thing that was trying to suck Locke underground, leads to?
 

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Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :
 
Okay, on the pink sheet from oceanic-air.com, it says...
****possibly Lost spoiler****


[Charlie is seeing the monster]
Huge. Mechanical and biological. Godlike and profane. A massive, multi-tentacled (something) beast, resembling a primordial mapinguari--only carefully obscured in a cloud of acrid smoke!

A mapinguari? See http://www.usefultrivia.com/miscellaneous_trivia/monster_trivia_003a.html
It's so weird I'm skeptical.


****end spoiler****
(Edit for trivia link)
 

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Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
 
I'm pretty sure it's crap
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Yeah. I doubt the Monster/"Security System" will have it's big reveal done as an Easter Egg on a tie-in site.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I saw an interesting theory on the oceanicflight815 website. Hurley actually has incredibly good luck, but he gets it by taking it away from everyone around him. Can anyone think of any bad luck that Hurley himself had? Every instance I can think of so far happened to someone near Hurley, but not to Hurley himself.

It was his mother's house that caught fire and her ankle that broke. The shoe factory burned up, but Hurley made more money on the insurance.
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
He was falsely arrested.

He was in a plane crash.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
But everything tried to stop him from getting on that plane, so overall that would be good luck.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
If anyone has missed episodes, tuned in late, or whatever, the whole series is being rerun this summer starting tonight.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 

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He was falsely arrested.

He was in a plane crash.

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Teshi got the second one. Maybe getting arrested kept him from running into a burning house.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Ok, news. (for me anyway) I just read in a TV guide interview that a producer confirmed that the words that Boone heard on the radio were definitely "We're the survivors of flight 815." That's exactly what Boone was saying into the radio, so it could have just been his voice bouncing back...but...The producer went on to say that there were things in the finale that 'loyal viewers' might connect to this and 'extrapolate' conclusions from.

What could he possibly mean? My new and crazy theory is that the 'others' ARE the passengers of flight 815 about 20 years into the future. They came to get Walt because they know him and need him...and Walt may have even sent them to kidnap himself at an earlier age when he was just developing his powers...maybe to train him.

That's a bizarre theory, but it's totally mine, so I'm proud of it.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Well, the lady who threw the bomb onto the raft did sort of look like the lady Jack talked with in the flashback...possibly.
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
No way -- the lady on the raft was blonde and pale and skinny, the girl Jack talked to was buxom and darker.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
You can tell I didn't get a good look as I was pretty psyched over the scene, can't you?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Hey Teshi! A new connection for your "Lost List":

One of the various "Lost" LJ communities caught this one.

Check out the name of the hospital on the admission papers for Locke's mother in "Deus Ex Machina".

Then, check out the name of the hospital on Hurley's visitor ID card on "Numbers".

Santa Rosa in both cases.

Were Lenny and Locke's mom patients there at the same time?

[ June 01, 2005, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Who'se Lenny?
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Hurley's friend who was obsessed with the numbers, maybe?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Lenny was the guy in the mental hospital who gave Hurley the numbers under as-yet undisclosed circumstances (though I think it's safe to assume Hurley was a fellow patient at one point.)
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
Is it possible they were doubling up on props and we are taking this too seriously? I'm not trying to disparage, it's just an idea.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
The props were admission papers and a visitor's card; not something that could be used twice in two different episodes (like if it was admission papers both times). Why would they bother making the name on them both the same if it didn't mean anything?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
These are two different props, not the same one being used twice in a different context.

And as Stray says, why bother using the same name if there's no reason?

This show has a precedent for connections linking characters in unexpected ways.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
This article gives some mild spoilers on season 2 including a new cast member, one leaving and confirms that the oceanic-air site is done by ABC/Bad Robot.

Lost Article
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
So who is ready for tomorrow night? Eh, Eh? I know I am excited.

It has all but been confirmed that the survivors from the tail section will appear in season 2. We will get to see inside the hatch, and so many questions will be answered only to leave us with more questions. I am excited!

I already know what is in the hatch for episode one, but I promise not to spoil it for those who do not.

Make sure you watch tomorrow!

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I have back to school night from 7-9 tomorrow night! :cries: I'll have to watch a lame taped version.
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Now I can actually watch the episodes as they air on TV. Crazy!
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
I just watched the whole first season. The funniest part was trying to guess what excuse they'd use to get Kate half nakid/wet/wet and half nakid. We had bee scenes, and bathing scenes, and rain scenes, and oh so many scenes! She's the safest person on the island, there's no way they'll kill off the shows main female sex symbol!
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I don't know whether I'm going to be able to watch them as they air. I may get into a choir which has its rehersals over Lost, however, the audition went badly so who knows?

EDIT: BobtL, you cynic.

It is funny though.
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I'm excited and reading for it. I shouldn't have too much homework either, so that means Lost viewing with no distractions.
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Cynic? Try "realist." Seriously, nobody's been shown in tight or skimpy clothing as much as Kate and Shannon.

And Kate is a fox. Rawr.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Well, you know, he could just pay attention to the plot, if that's not too much to ask and all.

But since I have a number of friends (not all, depending on their taste) who voted the show uninteresting after a certain young man's tragic and rather gory death, I can't really talk.

Also, I seem to remember that Sawyer went on that particular swimming incident with Kate, and that the rain also affects the various men.

The bees, though...
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Sawyer kept his pants on, while Kate stripped down to not very much.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Yeah, but interestingly, I get the general feeling that a man in his underwear isn't so sexy as a man with just no shirt.

EDIT: Although, this is just a general feeling. I may be wrong, generally. It's not my opinion. I have no opinion, before you ask.

In fact, let's end this conversation now.

I'm excited about what's in the hatch, how about you?
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
Sawyer didn't fall into that role until later in the series, though. Kate was the flight's resident sex kitten right from the word "Go". I can only hope that if I survive a plane crash my fellow survivors will be (on average) equally hot, useful, and astonishingly good at their respective crafts. One of these days Sa'id will make a radio out of a coconut, I know he has it in him.

It's funny, much as I complain about the show, it's too much of a tease, the acting (in general) is pretty weak, etc. I still watched the whole season is a ridiculously short period of time. I won't be watching it on TV, though, from now on I can only watch shows on DVD, so someone will have to remind me to rent season two next September.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
You can't really watch the episodes more than once. They rely a lot on suspense, and once the suspense is gone the show feels very empty. I've had this opinion from a number of people.

I agree. It's not the greatest show ever written (we already know what that is ), but I do think that it is "above average", interest-wise. So I go on watching it .

And of course, you're right about Kate. Sadly, in pretty much every show ever written there's always that one or two characters...
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 

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I have no opinion, before you ask.

In fact, let's end this conversation now.

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Aw, Teshi, you're such a prude.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
No sex please, I'm British.

EDIT: To take away the edit.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 

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You can't really watch the episodes more than once. They rely a lot on suspense, and once the suspense is gone the show feels very empty. I've had this opinion from a number of people.

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I've tried watching a few of the repeats to see what I missed the first time around. Now that I know more about the numbers and such, I know there were things I didn't catch the first time around. Like the shadow creature causing the jet engine to explode in the first episode.

But you're right. They're not nearly as good the second time around.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oops, I forgot to qualify that. They're good the second time around for catching what you missed. After that, they're somewhat empty.
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
The reliance on suspense is why Christy refuses to watch the show. She feels they use too many cheap tricks to keep adrenaline high.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
She's right.
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Okay, the show is starting to lose me now. It's starting to feel seriously contrived. I was originally drawn to it because of the Firefly-like potential for character development through prolonged interaction in a confined setting, and I found many of the flashbacks quite compelling. When it started to incorporate more significant supernatural elements and they started suggesting that the island was more than just an island, I slowly began to lose interest. This episode accelerated that process.

I imagine I'll watch next week, but if they keep going in this direction I may give up.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
You saw the season premiere?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
On the "Oceanic Flight 815" page, the code to enter is: theislandiswaiting

This gives a sample of the script for episode two of Season 2.
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 
Yeah, bev, it was on CTV at 9 PM EST.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
We just finished watching. It didn't seem any more supernatural than what we've already seen.

****SPOILER***************
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I strongly suspected that that guy in the stadium would be the man underground since we first saw him.

Cool to be right for once. All the time we've been watching season 1, it's been Porter that was eerily spot-on on predicting things before they happened.
 

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Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
 
*SPOILERS FOR ME AS WELL*
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Hm, I was right too... or at least, semi-right. I actually thought there was something like a quarantine in the hatch. I thought it was more of a chemical weapon factory place where people locked it up tight not to spread, but still...
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I'm not adding spoiler warnings because it's in the thread title and that's why I created it...

So, I captured a screeshot of the vials that Desmond used to inject himself with and the numbers are on the vials.

Check it out...
 

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Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
The numbers are bad!
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 

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We just finished watching. It didn't seem any more supernatural than what we've already seen.

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We didn't get overtly supernatural until the season one finale, and that's been sustained into this episode with both Locke and Kate acknowledging the magic smoke. I suspect, though, that they'll "deal" with that in the same way they "dealt" with Locke seeing the monster -- no one will talk about it for fifteen episodes.

I would have enjoyed the show a lot more if the island had just been an island. I don't really care what the big secrets are, I'd rather things were exactly as they seemed to be in the pilot: a group of stranded people trying to survive. That was what got me interested in the first place.
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
I sort of know what you mean twink.

I was just discussing this with my girlfriend, and telling her that I would rather see everything be explainable without magic. I don't want Walt to have powers, and I want the smoke to be some by-product of the machine that is the "guardian". So the big reveal last night that Desmond was in the hatch was a bit off-putting for me. It isn't what I want to happen.

That being said, I still love the show and I hope it continues to be as excellent as it was last season.

It also doesn't help that almost none of my favorite characters were focused on during last nights episodes, partially due to the fact that two of them are lost at sea.

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
So do you think the bunker that Desmond was in is some kind of control place for the island? Some of the equipment looked pretty old. Maybe it’s some old WWII base that was doing electromagnetic experiments. I think there is going to be explanations for things, it’s just a matter of what and how.
 

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Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
Quarentine was written on the INSIDE of the door. So maybe it's not the bunker that's quarentined, but the Island.

I knew it was the stadium guy (or "Dude", as Hurly would say) the second I saw him. Of course, I didn't know I was right till I heard him speak =)

I too would prefer the story to be one just of survival, but I've trusted the writers so far and they've given me a story I really enjoy so I'm just going to go along for the ride.

Pix
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
My wife suggested the stadium guy was in the bunker, but I thought that was flat-out impossible because I was sure the guy had been down that hole since at least the seventies. She was pretty smug when it really was him. I'm still scratching my head.

She's a gem, letting me get addicted to a show that's on that late. Of course, in return I have to set aside Sunday nights for Desperate Housewives.
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
Yeah, I caught the premiere as well, it was on after "So You Think You Can Dance?" *sheepish look*

I was pretty unimpressed. The show might pick up if Jack, Locke, and Kate all get shot down there, considering they're some of the weaker characters (I'm looking at you Jack and Kate), but things are looking a little too contrived for me as well right now. The whole introducing the new character was pretty lame as well. Hell, for a show that relies so much on suspense, this was pretty darned predictable. (Although kudos to Kate for keeping her shirt on for the whole episode!)
 

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Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
I seriously doubt we would be talking about a show of just survival on an island. What is interesting about that? Sure, Castaway was good, but that even had some serious critics.
I have some friends who keep calling it sci-fi. Which I of course say it’s not sci-fi, it’s drama. Just because we don’t know what is going on doesn’t make it sci-fi. Which of course they respond to by saying it has to be aliens. Argh….
 

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Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
 

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I was just discussing this with my girlfriend, and telling her that I would rather see everything be explainable without magic. I don't want Walt to have powers, and I want the smoke to be some by-product of the machine that is the "guardian". So the big reveal last night that Desmond was in the hatch was a bit off-putting for me. It isn't what I want to happen.

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I'm honestly not sure I even want everything explained at this point. When they initially showed us things like the polar bear, the cable on the beach, and the hatch, I pretended to myself that the show was still about the characters and not about the suspense. I'm getting to the point where I can't really pretend effectively anymore.

It doesn't even matter if it's magic or mundane, my suspension of disbelief has been seriously eroded.

Edit: Jay, I would absolutely watch such a show. That's why I started watching Lost in the first place. The show has shifted from being about drama to being about suspense.
 

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Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
 
The survival story doesn't have legs, IMO. Once they are able to satisfy basic needs, it turns into a soap opera in Hawaii. As interesting as the backstories are, they become just as hokey in the survival scenario, since they can create flashbacks that justify any new character change.

"Oh, Shannon has a twin sister that died young, _that's_ why she adopts New Character X!" I still think they could pull out some pseudo-science, rather than mysticism, to explain much of the goings-on.

But then, I'm a big fan of all the Rambaldi stuff in Alias.

It all seems a little Lovecraft-y, which I enjoy.

-Bok
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
So... theories. Do you remember how that guy talked to Jack about miracles? As though he had some power to grant them? And then the miraculous happened? He seemed to know a thing or two about "luck".

We've talked about how the numbers effected Hurley. Porter describes the effect well with the term "luck vampire"-- a person who sucks good luck from others leaving them with bad luck. (A term he and his roomies used a lot back in college when one of them seemed supremely lucky and to "cause" bad luck to those around them.)

It does indeed appear that Hurley has good luck by sucking good luck away from others. And the first man we knew about to use these numbers couldn't "escape" the effect. He eventually killed himself.

Could that be the reason for the quarentine? He is trying to avoid hurting others? And maybe by "injecting" these "numbers" (or their chemical components?) increase the effect, thus intensifying his need to stay away from others? Do people become billows of black smoke when all their luck has been sucked dry? Are they indeed the "ghosts" or "remnants" of the survivors 16 years before as well as the things that whisper? Is the stealling of children somehow crucial to balancing or intensifying this luck-draining effect?

I figured the 70s technology was a result of this guy being locked away since the late 70s. Everything he has down there was probably extremely "cutting edge" back then.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 

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Well, yeah. But I don't need it to have legs. My favourite show is Firefly, after all.

I'm a huge Lovecraft fan, though, and if they take this in that direction I might get interested again. While cowering under my bedcovers in horror.

Edit: Ah, bev, that's where we differ! I do not require answers from fiction, and in many cases would prefer not to have them.
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
He wasn't in quarantine. You don't lock the door from the other side and write "quarantine" on the side with the infected people. It's pretty clear the quarantined people are on the island, probably the others. Why would they have a secret underground society? I don't know.

What screamed lame to me is the connection between him and Jack. I mean... come on. The survivors bumping into each other in the airport is expected, bumping into each other on the plane is also expected. Bumping into each other however many years ago in the very episode you're introducing the character who's mysteriously on the island is sloppy writing.

I guess the strong magnets down there are supposed to be why the compass didn't work? Although, it's interesting that it has a magnetic pull like an NMR machine, but there are no hazard signs and Jack's gun was apparently made from plastic to not be affected.

It wouldn't bother me so much if the show weren't so much of a one-trick pony, but for suspense to work you have to draw the viewer into your world. They're certainly not able to do that with strong acting or clever dialogue, they rely entirely on the situation to pull in the audience. Once you lose interest in that, the show is sunk.
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 

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The survival story doesn't have legs, IMO. Once they are able to satisfy basic needs, it turns into a soap opera in Hawaii.

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It does indeed appear that Hurley has good luck by sucking good luck away from others.

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I figured the 70s technology was a result of this guy being locked away since the late 70s.

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What screamed lame to me is the connection between him and Jack. I mean... come on. The survivors bumping into each other in the airport is expected, bumping into each other on the plane is also expected. Bumping into each other however many years ago in the very episode you're introducing the character who's mysteriously on the island is sloppy writing.

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they rely entirely on the situation to pull in the audience. Once you lose interest in that, the show is sunk.

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I don't think there's any way he could have been there that long. How long had it been since Jack had seen him. Maybe 5 to 10 years. That was one of my problems, though. Jack met him once for a few minutes years before. I have trouble believing he recognized him.

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I guess I didn't bother to do the math in my head, but I figured it was possible that the meeting happened 16+ years ago and that Jack is older than he looks. Maybe this guy was able to bring luck to others by giving some of his own away before he became a perpetual "luck vampire".
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
Sure, but it doesn't happen in *good* fiction I mean, if the whole 8-season arc is planned, why is it necessary to introduce a character who's payoff will take place in 20 minutes? It screams "We didn't plan this, we need someone down there, and we need for someone to have met him". Which is, I suppose, Ok. But it doesn't help me stay interested in the show if I feel the writers don't really know where they're going with the story arc. They're making it up as the go along, in other words. When the story is all you have to work with, you can't afford to be sloppy in how you tell it. I'm sure they'll justify him being there later, but it doesn't make his introduction to the show any more satisfying.

You know, we might just have to agree to disagree
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Does anyone else wish they had that luck potion from Harry Potter? That would come in seriously handy sometimes....
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 

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I mean, if the whole 8-season arc is planned, why is it necessary to introduce a character who's payoff will take place in 20 minutes?

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I guess I don't believe them when they say they have the whole 8-season arc planned.

Even Babylon 5 who really *did* have a 5-year arc planned had to deal with a lot of unexpected twists and turns. Supposedly J. Michael Straczynski had a plan in case any of his actors had to leave--and it happened with his first captain. The result was marvelous, IMO. Also, they didn't know they were going to get a last season, so they crammed as much resolution into the end of season 4 as they could. As a result, when season 5 came, it suffered and felt "tacked on". It is my least favorite season.

But if they do have it planned, kudos to them. This is exactly whan American TV needs to do more of.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
Just an observation. Lost and Alias are brought to us by one of the creators of Felicity. While Felicity is one of the shows I loved to hate (got hooked on the reruns cause my wife would watch every night), in the end it did have all the convuluted relationships straightened out and tied up. I can only hope j.j. abrams can satisfactorily tie up all the dangling threads of Lost, though for the life of me I can't figure out how that will possibly happen. Right now I'm looking for just ONE thing to be resolved. Just tell me how the damned polar bears got there. That'll do for a start.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Huh. I never saw "Felicity". If it came to a satisfying end, perhaps I can dare to hope for both "Lost" and "Alias".

(I have to *really* like a show to be willing to wait a week between episodes and put up with TV commercials. I may not last with 2nd season "Lost", but purchase the DVDs later. When "Alias" is complete, I may do the same thing.)
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 

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Originally posted by zgator:
I don't think there's any way he could have been there that long. How long had it been since Jack had seen him. Maybe 5 to 10 years. That was one of my problems, though. Jack met him once for a few minutes years before. I have trouble believing he recognized him.

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Just an observation. Lost and Alias are brought to us by one of the creators of Felicity. While Felicity is one of the shows I loved to hate (got hooked on the reruns cause my wife would watch every night), in the end it did have all the convuluted relationships straightened out and tied up. I can only hope j.j. abrams can satisfactorily tie up all the dangling threads of Lost, though for the life of me I can't figure out how that will possibly happen. Right now I'm looking for just ONE thing to be resolved. Just tell me how the damned polar bears got there. That'll do for a start.

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I strongly suspected that that guy in the stadium would be the man underground since we first saw him.

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Me too. I knew from the moment I saw him running- and then when he talked about miracles I wondered how much of a miracle living 40 feet underground was. You could tell by the hair, which is all we really got to see.

I was also gratified to see that it was a fully stocked bunker- his home, as it were.

I doubt Desmond's "running around the world" thing. That sounded too fanciful- like he had made it up to cover a real truth- so I'm waiting on hearing more on this.

The point that the QUARANTINE was on the inside of the hatch (as someone pointed out) strongly suggests that it's the island that is dangerous, and that from being on the island this man is taking drugs to suppress the island's effect. That's just speculation, though. The science fiction-style command centre and the facilities strongly suggest that this centre was built for multiple-people occupation (if you have a copy, take a look at the other bunk underneath Desmond's). There are also two washing machines- I think they're both washing machines, not washer/dryer because they're identical.

When I was going back to look at the clip I saw that there is apparantly light streaming through the blinds. Since this building is far underground there's either somekind of brightly lit facility beyond those windows or somebody goofed rather severely.

The decor is ridiculously seventies. It's clear the designers wanted us to see when the rooms were furnished, loud and clear. It's also not exactly military-style issue. It's very comfortable as well as practical. The bowls are green! This isn't some short-term stay place. This is meant to be nice. On the other hand, he appears to put on a uniform and he accesses a very sizeable weapons safe. He does it very swiftly- almost like he's done this before, which is hardly possible, since that hatch looked like it has been there since the beginning- it was buried! He's practiced this a lot of times.

I don't mind Walt being magic, I don't mind there being fate (which was very well done with the "is this your destiny, Locke?" question, and then it being Jack who's facing, in a way, his destiny), I don't mind there being magic. I guess that's just my personal preference.

One question. What would you use a collosal magnet for? Those computers- and the computer that Desmond entered the command into- must be doing something.

Generally...

I still hold the same feeling that this show is all about suspense and secrets and unknown and as a result can never be a great show like Firefly is. It can be a good show and a clever show and a thoughtful and magical show but it can never be great because there are too many "empty" scenes which are just whats-around-the-next-corner thriller scenes.
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
I have to say that honestly, I don't understand Hatrack's love affair with Firefly. ::shrug::

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
It's not just Hatrack. And we enjoy it, because we think it's very good. How much have you seen, Parsimony? Also, what other Sci Fi television doyou enjoy?

There are other very good shows out there. Personally, I think much of the new Dr. Who series rivals some Firefly episodes, although it's not quite as re-watchable.
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
Oh but Teshi, I swear to you that outside of Hatrack I have never in my life heard another person even mention Firefly, let alone gush over it the way folks here tend to.

I saw about 5 episodes.



--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Is it bad that as far as Firefly/Serenity goes I know one of the writers (Joss Whedon) more for his work on Astonishing X-Men than for his work on Firefly/Serenity?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Did you see them in order? *suspicious*

Well, the reason everyone here gushes over them is because we had a few people who saw it and loved it and then everyone else went out of their way to watch it or were leant it and the majority of the people liked it. It's word of mouth. Among the people I've introduced to it, everyone of a science fiction television bent and of a certain age has really liked it, even if they initially disliked it (my brother, till I made him watch The Train Job instead of Serenity).



Obviously there's nothing saying that if you don't like it then you're a fool and all that.

EDIT: Yes, very bad, pfresh. Terrible. Inconceivable.



ALSO: This is a discussion about Lost. Take the Firefly discussion to the Firefly thread!
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
Sorry, it was my fault.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I'm just joking. But this is the Lost thread.
 

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Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
Haven't seen the premiere. <sigh> May have to cave in and get a TV. I saw the first season thanks to a friend's TiVo-equivalent and got hooked.

Am I the only one who, when Locke said he thought 'hope' was beneath the hatch, thought "Wouldn't that make it Pandora's Box?"...

I also have this weird suspicion that the people responsible for ambushing the raft may have been the crew of the Black Rock...

Weirdness continues.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
Did anyone else see that symbol on the shark's tail?!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I saw something on it, not sure what it was.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
As far as I know it looked like the symbol on the electrical box that Locke looked at inside the hatch. I think the symbol was somewhere else inside the hatch too. It was on Desmond's jump suit
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Interesting. More relations between things. Any speculation on what that counter thing hooked to the computer was counting down to? And why the cursed numbers seem to restore it to normal?
 

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Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
 
I was a little disappointed with tonight's episode. While I realize they can't have a really exciting thing happen every few seconds, I wish that some new information would have been revealed. Instead of just rehashing the day.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
I have no clue...could be hours left for something and he just replenished the countdown time?? I'm not really sure.
 

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Posted by gossip (Member # 4849) on :
 
Ok, I was able to pause my dvr to see the symbol on the sharks tail. It was indeed the same symbol that was on the guys shirt.
 

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Posted by RackhamsRazor (Member # 5254) on :
 
I wish I had a good look at the symbol. I only recognized the general shape. I would like to see exactly what the symbol is and what it contains
 

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Posted by gossip (Member # 4849) on :
 

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Something like that. It's more of an octogon. There is a snake in the middle. The periods and the slashes are to mean there are like... rows, like in a greek amplitheater.
 

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Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
 
I got a decent screeshot of the symbol here.

I tried several times to get a better picture but the camera wouldn't stop moving to get a clearer shot. It's the same on the shirt and the shark...
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
I think it was on all the food containers in the storage room Kate got locked in.
 

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Posted by ctm (Member # 6525) on :
 
It looks like a swan to me rather than a snake. Can't read the word on it though.

I agree that it wasn't the best episode... I also would have liked to have a little more revealed.
 

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Posted by calaban (Member # 2516) on :
 
The symbol is a derivation of a taoist symbol, PA-KUA. I wonder if the animal in the middle is a reference to the yin-yang?

web page
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
If you guys really want to get your minds blown, then go to a fansite and read the variious theories on the message boards. Here's one of the better ones. the unofficial lost fan site
 

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Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
looks like the Lock Ness monster to me.
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
and Bigfoot!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
So it was a swan. I just wish Jack would have let the count down finish. And what was with Jin speaking English in the preview for next week? Craziness.
 

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Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
You know, I actually do like this show, but even if I didn't I would be forced to keep watching in the hopes that someone, someday, would actually EXPLAIN what the %#$!#$! is going on.
 

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Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
I'm just glad we got a scientific explanation for the polar bears. Hooray for no magic!

--ApostleRadio
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Did anyone tape it this week?!! My vcr bit it, and it didnt tape!!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I didn't tape it, but I assume it'll be up on Bittorrent tomorrow.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
Darn, it didn't tape on my dvr. Poop.
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Bittorent? Is that a place I can DL it at?
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Bittorrent is a program, a type of sharing application. I'm sure someone else could give you a more technical idea of what it is. Check www.isohunt.com tomorrow (or maybe even tonight) for a torrent (basically a download) of this week's episode of Lost.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
Hallelujah, they answered the polar bear question!
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I could totally see the countdown and the number entry being some sort of unethical experiment on the human psyche to see if a person would go forward with the compulsion on faith alone--just the fear of what *might* happen if they didn't do that easy task.
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Yeah, I thought of that when they were watching the orientation film. I would probably do it out of fear myself. I'm too trusting.
 

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Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
 
Lyrhawn I'm pretty sure I've got it taped. I'll make sure tonight when I get home. If you want me to send it to you drop me an email.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
What does everyone think of Einstein's Unified Field Theory and or Philadelphia Story to eplain what's going on?
 

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Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Thanks Jay!
 

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During the filmstrip they watched, it said something to the effect of "We brought brilliant scientists from many different fields to perform experiments on the island, including psychology, parapsychology, zoology..."

And when they said "zoology" it showed two polar bears wrestling. Probably on the island.
 

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Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
 
I don't know that they've answered it. They made reference to it in the film, but I don't think anyone would transport polar bears to a tropical island to see what would happen.

Jack is developing crazy backed-into-a-corner eyes. He's almost as good at that as Ben Browder.

Ni!
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
They most emphatically did NOT answer the polar bear question.

They just barely answered the questions of who built the bunker and how/when Desmond got there. And practically nothing else.

I was actually kind of surprised at how much they did reveal in the orientation film. It was obviously old and worn, and I kept expecting it to burn up or snap or otherwise be destroyed, and all its information be lost forever.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
There seemed to be a chunk taken out of it. Anyone else notice the blip where a sentance was never finished?
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
There was more than one blip. The film appeared to have been spliced/edited at several points.

I almost laughed out loud when I saw the shot of the mysterious individual who was the financial backer of the project; zooming in on him in complete shadow, being quite deliberate about hiding his identity. It seemed to be setting him up for some major revelations later.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Huh. I noticed the sound quality breaking up, but only one place seemed to be a serious blip. A sentance something like, "Don't ever use the computer to...."
 

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Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
 
That was one of the more obvious, but there were at least one or two others before that.
 

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Posted by Stray (Member # 4056) on :
 
Yeah, I noticed several jumps/splices where things had obviously been cut out of the film. Still gave us quite a bit of information, though.
 

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Posted by fil (Member # 5079) on :
 
Must see:

Dharma Industries Home Page

and

Hanso Foundation


I love their extras that they put out. The Oceanic airlines site was a wonder to plunder. Will these prove just as fun? And distracting?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Thanks for pointing out the sites!

Not much on either yet, but the Hanso "Active Projects" page should get the Official Lost message boards a buzzin'.

I also liked the fake script excerpt they had for last night's episode. "Zombie Walt" indeed.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
How come nobody's pointed out that in the preview for next week, Jin speaks perfect American English? I checked it, because I couldn't believe it first time around. He says "from now on, everything is going to change" right at the end of the clips.

My bet is that the other group from flight 815 (as of course it is) is the Hobbesian group. The big man will be called "Tom". They will be all fighting for their lives in an unorganized Hobbesian manner in which life is nasty, brutish and short. It's all a big social experiment, this TV show!

From the tape it sounded like the Swan is only one of three buildings on the island. But if that's the case, why does the symbol on the Dharma page have a swan in it as if that's the symbol in general?

Now, the sickness thing is peculiar. Both Rousseau and now Desmond have mentioned sickness, with Rousseau implying first hand knowledge, so I hesitate to say that it is, as Jack initially said, just a psycological experiment, although I was seriously hoping they wouldn't push the button.

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From the Hanso Foundation page:

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Clearly the "Namaste" was put there for a reason. Namaste is a greeting that implies submission of the greeter to the person they are greeting, as far as I can tell. Link. Combined with the taoist-type symbol of the logo, it's quite interesting.

There is some speculation that that Dharma site is not legitimately associated with the series.
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
Teshi, I did point it out. It's in my post made at 9:11PM last night.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Oh.

*shifty eyes*

Oh, and it seems that the big man who's captured them is actually a resident of the island. But I'm not letting it ruin my theory.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/videostream.swf
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Anyone figure out a way to enter the Dharma Initiative site yet?
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Hmmmm.

The Wikipedia entry for the Dharma Initiative notes the similarity between the DI logo and that of the alleged Montauk Project

Interesting. If it's not a coincidence, it may be a clue.
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 

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I figure, if Sun can pretend for several episodes that she doesn't understand a word of English, why can't Jin do the same? Just fake it for longer? And for no good reason that comes to my mind?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
He's probably "in" on the conspiracy .
 

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Posted by JeTmAn (Member # 4756) on :
 
I notice the Dharma Initiative site looks for a specific IP before it'll let you in...I would think if you set your IP to the same as the numbers, it would let you in, but it looks like it's looking for a XX.XX.XXX.XX IP which is 9 digits and the numbers together are 10 digits.
 

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Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
 
Well, I suppose that if they are going to go down the road of the Montauk Project mythology, Desmond's saying "See you in another life" every time he takes leave of Jack (as he did again last night in the jungle) makes some kind of sense.

Also, I thought it was interesting, in light of speculation I've seen some places concerning a Bermuda Triangle-like area having something to do with what happened to the plane, that the film made reference to something about "magentic anomalies" (I can't remember the exact words) in the area of the island. That also makes sense in terms of the Montauk Project/Philadelphia Experiment mythology.

This gets more and more interesting.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 

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Until they replaced it with the "Orientation" film, the Dharma site was reachable by a hidden link on the Hanso Foundation Projects page...and since Hanso has the Disney/ABC "Terms of Services" link on it, I think it's more likely to be legitimate than not.
 

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Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
I've stumbled on to something....refresh the login site...and while th ip checker is checking move your mouse to the outside lower left...you should turn the first blockgreen...then move you mouse on the outside edge of the octagon in a counter clockwise motion....So far I got up to three blocks to turn green...
EDIT...actually I have to no idea after the first one...I've got to four with out knowing how I did it...
Ok I've got the first four figured out...just looking for the last one...

[ October 07, 2005, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged ]
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
Gah! Darnit, maybe they didn't come right out and say, "THIS is how the polar bears got on the island...". But the bears they showed were kind of play wrestling each other and there was foliage around them, not ice. I still assert that this explains how the bears got there. Y'all are just too darned suspicious and paranoid.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Until they replaced it with the "Orientation" film, the Dharma site was reachable by a hidden link on the Hanso Foundation Projects page...and since Hanso has the Disney/ABC "Terms of Services" link on it, I think it's more likely to be legitimate than not.

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The hidden link wouldn't work for me. *sniff*
 

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Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
 
If you look at the training video now, it shows the polar bears with snow around them. I could swear the other night I also saw foliage. Does someone still have it on tape?

Desmond said someone named Kendall(?) found him when he wrecked and brought him to the underground lab. The doctor on the film is Dr. Kandall or Kendall. Could it be the same person?
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
I thought the person was called Kalvin or Calvin. And I don't remember seeing foliage, however, the polar bears were definately significant.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
Maybe I saw what I wanted to see then. Mind games indeed!
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I heard Kelvin (like the guy with the absolute temperature scale). Maybe I misheard though.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
Yeah, pfresh, I think you're right.
 

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Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
 
lma, I also read something about Einstein's Unified Field Theory and the Philadelphia Experiment as a possible plot for the island. It would explain the pilot's comment about them not being seen on radar.

TOE is a cool theory, though I'm not sure I'd want to read the mind of God.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
No discussion this week?

First of all, I'd like to say that my theories were correct. I apologise for the shamesless gloat.

1. That the "other" group of survivors is living out the Hobbesian theory of the state of nature. It's nasty, brutish and short. Seemingly, the woman has taken the number of survivors down from 23 (ahem) to about eight (ahem), compared to the 48 (ahem) to the about 42 (ahem) in the other camp. Where Locke is a member (ahem).

2. That there are other bunkers. That was clearly an abandoned bunker. The symbol on the wall was the same, except without the swan. In the place of the swan was something that looked a bit like a cross, except the horizontal bar was detailed.

This show is starting to get on my nerves, though. It's still good, gripping, interesting, etc. Just something about it, perhaps the suspense, is starting to wear thin. Now I watch it as a prediction excercise: This group is Locke, the other is Hobbes. I get satisfaction out of being right, as you can see, but I don't get satisfaction out being surprised, even if I am surprised.

*sigh*
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
What makes you think Ana Lucia is the reason the 23 dwindled to only a few?

From the "next episode" blurb, it looks like they've been dealing directly with the territory of the "real" Others, who judging by Ethan and the boat people are possibly superhuman, psychic, and definitely killers.

Ana Lucia might turn out to be the only reason even a few of them are still alive.

So...your theory may still be wrong! Nyah.
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 
She seems pretty... tough.

And the people seemed to be arguing and giving each other and Ana Lucia sideways glances.

Yeah, I might be wrong.


 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
She seems pretty... tough.

Sawyer, Jin, and Michael meanwhile come off as fluffy wuzzy bunny boys?

To say nothing of harmless, oh-so undangerous seeming Locke.

And the people seemed to be arguing and giving each other and Ana Lucia sideways glances.

Not that the Islanders on the other side ever did things like that. *ahem*

Yeah, I might be wrong.

So might I. I still think the reason numbers are so small is because of "The Others", though.

Or possibly their side of the Island has a more lethal version of the "Security System"?

[ October 16, 2005, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: Puffy Treat ]
 

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Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
It sure did my heart good to see Rose put that candy bar in her pocket to save for her hubby.
 

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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Wasn't that just the sweetest thing?

Even if the tropical heat means that she'll have a pocket of goo by mid-morning, nice gesture. *ahem*
 

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Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
 

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Sawyer, Jin, and Michael meanwhile come off as fluffy wuzzy bunny boys? [Big Grin]

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It sure did my heart good to see Rose put that candy bar in her pocket to save for her hubby. [Big Grin]

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• Shannons Father is the man Jack let die in order to save his future wife.
• Walts gibberish speaking was actually him speaking backwards (they don't mention what he was saying though).

 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
Here is an mp3 that someone created, reversing the dialog. What do you guys think it says? I don't want to taint what you hear by saying what I hear.
 

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Posted by Crotalus (Member # 7339) on :
 
I am so glad that character is dead. She was annoying. And the girl that shot her..well maybe this will bring her down a few notches.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
"Push the button, the puddings bad."
 

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Posted by The Pixiest (Member # 1863) on :
 
Ana annoys me worse than Shannon. She gives strong women a bad name.
 

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Posted by pfresh85 (Member # 8085) on :
 
I hear "Press the button, no button's bad." I could be off though. I'm more sure of the first part than the second part.
 

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Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
I was wondering why there wasn't more discussion of Lost here recently (I mean apart from the last two weeks of reruns). I have heard fans saying that this season doesn't live up to the promise of last season, but I disagree. I have enjoyed this season's episodes immensely. Last night was great. The single blemish in my mind was Ana Lucia. I don't think that actress does a very good job, nor do they give her very good lines or a very interesting personality, at least not yet. I hope next week's "extended" episode remedies some of that.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
Okay, well there are a couple of opinions anyway. What I hear is "Where's the button? Don't, button's bad."

I have messed around with some audio filtering using Goldwave and that is what I keep coming back to.

[ November 10, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: solo ]
 

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Posted by Aerto (Member # 8810) on :
 
The "don't push the button, the button's bad" (or some people think it is actually "push the button, no button's bad") was from earlier in the season.

Last night's Walt talking backwards is available here and it appears to be much clearer as to what is being said: www.weapons-of-mass-distraction.com/walt.wav
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
404'd!

That link appears to be broken.
 

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Posted by Aerto (Member # 8810) on :
 
Sorry about that. Go here to find the original link: http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=5265.topic&start=1&stop=20

It should be available in the third post down.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
Here is an mp3 with the clip from last night, forward then reversed.
 

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Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
 
I hear "Press the button. No button's bad." from Solo's .mp3 file. <edit> and the new one sounds more like "I'm coming and they're close" or "I'm coming in their clothes" to me </edit>

Ding dong the witch is dead.

How will Sayid react to Shannon's death?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
I'm kind of bummed that Shannon is dead because now there will be no more Boon in her flashbacks. But then, she was really REALLY annoying.

I would have rather ditched Ana Lucia though. I agree with y'all that she stinks and her dialogue stinks. I'd love to see the rest of the group eat her alive, but we won't know what they do to her because now they're going to pull what annoys me the most about this series: Let's go back and look at that from another point of view! I think we'll see the 'back passengers' for the next few weeks and be left hanging about Sayid and the rest of the gang.
 

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Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
 
I really hope not. It does look that way but maybe the flashbacks for next weeks episode will actually be of them on the other side and we will still get some progression with the original cast.
 

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Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
"I'm coming in their clothes"

Come on, Walt... keep that to yourself, dude.
 

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Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
I thought last night's episode was pretty good. There were no flashbacks, but then the whole episode was basically one long flashback. Ana Lucia's character was fleshed out a bit, and she now seems a little less hateful and annoying. I think that this second group of survivors may have a couple of characters that will become as beloved as some of the originals

We also learned more about the Others. One thing we learned was that they aren't as scary or powerful as reported. They only "attacked" the tail-section survivors twice, kidnapping a total of twelve people. They don't seem to have killed anybody at all, did they? And the tail-sectioners managed to kill three or four of the Others with, well, rocks. I don't think the Others are anything to be afraid of, after all.

We also got to learn a few tantalizing details about the others through Goodwin, the spy. I still need to mull over what he told Ana Lucia, though.

Finally, Mr. Eko just keeps getting better and better.
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
So was Ethan one of the others? I seem to remember him possessing super-human strength, which is definitely something to be afraid of if the other 'Others' have that. Maybe Ethan is a separate animal entirely?
 

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Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
One of my regrets is that I missed at least half of the first season, and that includes every episode involving Ethan. The only things I know about him are things I've read online, and that isn't much. So I can't answer your question.

Although, if the Others had amazing strength, they should have been able to beat Eko, especially outnumbering him 2 to 1, shouldn't they?
 

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Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
 
Yeah. That's why I"m doubting that Ethan was an 'other.' So now I'm wondering, "What in the hell WAS he?" *shrug* I guess we might find out. One day.
 

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Posted by SenojRetep (Member # 8614) on :
 

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Jack slips and slides down a bank into a puddle of mud. He looks up to see Ethan standing over him. Ethan orders Jack to stop following him. But when Jack asks who he is and where Charlie and Claire are, Ethan delivers a healthy punch to Jack's face, knocking him back down. He tells Jack once again to stop following him or he'll kill one of his people. Jack attempts to fight him off, but Ethan is too strong and gains the upper hand, telling Jack this is his last warning and knocking him out.

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Jack, Kate, Sayid, Locke and Sawyer lie in wait until Ethan makes his move and then Jack POUNCES on Ethan, losing his gun in the tussle. They go back and forth in a vicious fight and Jack shows a side of himself we haven't yet seen. He beats Ethan into submission and the others arrive with their guns to ensure he doesn't get away. Now, it's time to get some answers, but Ethan is shot several times from off screen. We reveal Charlie who followed the team out on their "hunt" and picked up Jack's gun when he lost it in the fight. As Ethan dies all hopes of an interrogation are lost.

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