You're currently experiencing a certain trial by fire because, quite frankly, you fit the traditional template of a troll: you came out of nowhere, immediately posted new threads (with inflammatory topics) without participating in old ones, and don't appear open to actual discussion.
I am, however, willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are in fact a 30ish guy from Tooele, Utah with two kids and a passing interest in politics, I think you'll fit in just fine here -- provided that you take a deep breath, and provided that you give US a chance to adjust to YOU.
Trust me when I say that, so far, you have said nothing we have not heard before; this is why, coupled with the troll suspicions, people were initially so dismissive of your arguments. I suspect, however, that you can defend your opinions more cogently if given the chance. The thing is, we won't GIVE you the chance if your debate style largely consists of "what I say is a FACT; if you disagree, you are a drooling idiot -- or liberal, since I use the words interchangeably" tactics. That kind of Freeper "debate" won't win you any friends or arguments here; we try -- and mostly succeed -- to maintain higher standards.
So please revisit your threads with an eye towards actual discussion, with the intent to actually PARTICIPATE instead of lecture. So far, the only thing you've said that really concerned me was your quick, defensive quip about not actually caring what any of us think; I'd like you to reconsider that.
I make you this promise: as long as you care what I think, I will treat you with respect. I think most of the forum will do the same.
[ September 20, 2004, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I'm trying to decide if Stroman is really Chad's last name, or if that is simply a parody off of This
FG
nah - I take that back. That's probably his real name, because you can Switchboard it.
[ September 20, 2004, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
Actually, Farmgirl, that was my first thought after reading the thread and then looking again at the nome de plume. Of course I always look at things with a word association slant.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Really? I never knew that about you.
Dagonee We need a sarcasm smiley.
[ September 20, 2004, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by punwit (Member # 6388) on :
Kinda like my knack of stating the obvious.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
You'll also find that even people that agree with your ideas will get annoyed with you if you say things in an inflamitory way. People haven't dismissed your ideas becasue of their ideas, but we do have a habit of dismissing something that is obviously argumentative.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
quote: Crimson flames tied through my ears Rollin' high and mighty traps Pounced with fire on flaming roads Using ideas as my maps "We'll meet on edges, soon," said I Proud 'neath heated brow. Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
[ September 21, 2004, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Sadly, I see no indication that Chad has actually read this thread. Perhaps if I gave it a name like "abortionist gays hate America...."
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Or his name's not Chad, and he forgot that's what he said the C stood for.
Just saying.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Well, there is most definitely a Chad Stroman who fits the description he's given for himself. If he's a troll, he's stolen someone's identity for an alibi -- but I don't think so. I think this is the same Chad Stroman who once posted somewhere that he's been an avid reader of Tom Clancy novels since the age of five.
THAT Chad Stroman seems capable of making perfectly intelligible posts on topics he cares deeply about without insulting people who disagree with him. On the assumption that this is the same Chad Stroman, I'm willing to extend an olive branch to this guy and just figure he had an off week or something.
[ September 21, 2004, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
He'd only be welcome if he either reformed his previous ways or stayed out of politics. The guy who seems to be the same guy has been banned from politics forums before, and uses as his avatar on at least one forum a pic of gore yelling with a tense look on his face while leaning forward a bit . . . with the words "HARDER BILL!!!" superimposed.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
That's ME!
Fugu has been to Joblo. Although Fugu (or whoever he was on Joblo) appears to have had a problem with my Avatar.
Funny because I haven't seen him say anything about the Bush terrorist avatar or any other anti-Bush one.
I am who I have said I am.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
BTW, I do have to say that I am at least honest with who I am on these boards.
Posted by RRR (Member # 6601) on :
Are you implying that people here aren't?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I doubt fugu posts at Joblo. It's more likely that he, like I, simply googled you.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
What's your name RRR? My name's Chad, nice to meet you and you are?
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: I am at least honest with who I am on these boards.
This inexplicably makes me very sad. Posted by RRR (Member # 6601) on :
So you're saying I'm not honest because I don't use my real name when posting here?
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
No, not dishonest. Just not 100% up front.
Btw, I'm Chad, and you are? (extends hand)
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
I happen to know RRR's name, Chad. And she knows mine. It comes when a level of trust develops.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Hee hee, maybe he'd approve if he knew what the RRR actually stood for.
AJ
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
*snerk*
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
i might be in love with sarcastimuppet. Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
So does that mean I trust the people here more?
Ok her names Sarah. Hi Sarah, nice to meet you.
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
i have this funny feeling that calling her by name is going to do the opposite of winning her favor.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
It gave me a creepy stalkeresque feeling, but I realize he probably surmised "Sarah" from her email address.
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
stop reading my mind, woman!
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
In all fairness, it's probably MORE creepy that I now have Chad's home address and phone number, thanks to the power of Google. All things considered, he's taken that remarkably in stride.
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
chad, do you really feel that using the name one's parents gave one makes that person more "upfront" than using a name chosen for onesself? how is one any more valid or hoest than the other?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Frankly, I think that.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Woot now I've been called "stalkeresque" for clicking on her "profile".
I guess I could "google" it, but it's not that important for me as it appears it is for so many other posters on this board.
Now that you all know who I am, please introduce yourselves!
I'm Chad....and you all are?
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
why?
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
quote: In all fairness, it's probably MORE creepy that I now have Chad's home address and phone number, thanks to the power of Google. All things considered, he's taken that remarkably in stride.
And they call me "Stalkeresque". Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Well, it's like Clark Kent is really Superman.
Is he 100% honest as Clark Kent? No. He's superman.
I'm being honest here....
I'm Superman... Posted by Her Royal Sweekiness (Member # 5747) on :
silly silly man. I said I had a "Stalkeresque" *feeling*, which was about 70% snarkiness mixed with 30% of my overall personality. See, you're learing more about me every day!
--sarmup
I got my first on Hatrack! Too bad it was from Celia...
[ September 21, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Her Royal Sweekiness ]
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
my question was directed at tom, and wasn't a rebuttal to Chad
i'm kerinin, nice to meet you
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
Yes, odd that someone who's been an active and reliable member of the community, as well as someone I've met in person on more than one occasion's investigation doesn't set off alarm bells, but someone claiming to be new and yet pulling up information about us does.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Hmm, considering my screen name is a convolution of my actual name, as well as being very close to actual nicknames I've had in the past, I feel as if it is a very good representation of me.
AJ
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Seriously, Chad, I'm Tom. Thanks for not being too creeped out; I just wanted to establish -- for my own sake, when deciding whether I wanted to spend any time talking to you or not -- whether you were a real human being, or just another random troll.
I'm satisfied that you're a real human being. However, I'm still very concerned about your whole "I don't care what any of you think" bit, and would like you to elaborate on that before I commit to much more conversation with you.
----
kerinin, I think the anonymity of the Internet is another way of maintaining emotional distance. By necessity, people who abandon that anonymity find it harder to maintain that distance and are therefore more likely to be "engaged" in whatever they say. This doesn't mean that they're inherently trustworthy, sensible, or likeable, mind you.
[ September 21, 2004, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Chad, I'm space opera. Have you decided to play nice yet?
space opera
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Hmm, considering my screen name is a convolution of my actual name, as well as being very close to actual nicknames I've had in the past, I feel as if it is a very good representation of me.
Um, ditto. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Tom, I really admire your efforts here with this thread. I appreciate your patience. I hope you succeed in bridging this gap--I myself do not feel inclined to make the effort at this time. Maybe later. Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
quote: I'm satisfied that you're a real human being. However, I'm still very concerned about your whole "I don't care what any of you think" bit, and would like you to elaborate on that before I commit to much more conversation with you.
That is in regards to what people opinion of me is.
Do I care whether anyone agrees with me or not? No.
Are my feelings hurt by all the personal attacks posted against me.
That's an obvious no.
I am interested in what people have to say about the topics, but I really don't give a flying leap about their personal attacks against me.
Ignorant, rude, etc. etc. Those are all some of your stated opinions of me.
Eh, all that says is the person I am talking to likes to call names and flame posts they don't agree with.
Fine. It doesn't reflect on me, it reflects on the person who posted it.
Do I care what people think about certain issues? Yes, some more than others. But I when they make it personal, you cross the line and lose the argument.
That's what I meant.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Oh and I am playing nice. The question is, have any of you realized that you weren't playing nice and are ready to as well?
I think I have been altogether supremely civil in this thread, where others have not.
Directly and indirectly.
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
Um. You say that and you say:
quote: Eh, all that says is the person I am talking to likes to call names and flame posts they don't agree with.
Fine. It doesn't reflect on me, it reflects on the person who posted it.
You know, when you reply to such comments instead of continuing with the actual conversation, it does say something about you. If you're so indifferent to the flames, why don't you just ignore them?
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
quote: If you're so indifferent to the flames, why don't you just ignore them?
Same question at the whole board. My answer is probably the same.
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
*grabs big book 'o Freud*
Chad, what was your relationship with your mother like? Did she ignore you? This could be the subconscious reason behind your attention-grabbing posting style.
space opera
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Come on now Opera, be nice. I love all the "Hey be nice while I smear you" type attitude.
It's like preacing against gambling while pulling the arm on a slot machine. Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Pffft. You just have your dander up; it was a funny.
space opera
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
I hadn't noticed you flaming me. Now I'm confused. Are you trying to insult me in some way?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"The question is, have any of you realized that you weren't playing nice and are ready to as well?"
Chad, there is a common factor among all the people who've washed out of Hatrack -- either by being banned or basically shunned -- quickly: they all, to a man, have insisted that this is the case. None of them recognized that they were being inflammatory, and all of them insisted that they were being treated unfairly.
They may even be right. Frankly, I'm hardly the person to say. While it might be apparent to me that you've been deliberately dismissive and provocative, I might have been around too long to see how it feels from the other side. For that, you'll probably have to ask a user called Xaposert, who basically specializes in defending the indefensible.
But the simple fact is this: people who feel this way, people who act this way, do not stick around long.
I'm not going to argue whether or not your posts deserved more thoughtful replies, or whether no one made a serious attempt to discuss them on their merits. If you'd like to have this discussion, I would be glad to point out to you posts I believe you should have taken more seriously, and flaws that I perceive in your replies. (I'd also be glad to point out posts that I do think, indeed, were unfairly hostile to you.)
I will argue, however, that if you intend to stick around, the very first thing you do is get rid of the whole "no, you guys should be apologizing to me" chip that's currently on your shoulder -- not because you have no right to it, but because it's been my experience that anyone who tries to stick around with that chip in place will inevitably leave the forum under a stormcloud of doom.
You've basically walked into our living room and pissed on the couch. How should we react?
[ September 21, 2004, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Chad, I read the lack of capitalized words as being much less un-civil. I think it's a matter of convention here, as at some (though not all) other forums. "Rudeness" is a contextual thing, you know?
Hi, my name is Sara Sasse. Welcome to Hatrack. Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Hi Sarah. Thanks!
So Tom are you saying I should apologize for my abrasiveness, but that the abrasiveness of the rest of the board is ok because.....
Let's just say. I'm here. I expect to continue to be here.
I will continue to post and try to make sure I don't call anyone IGNORANT or RUDE or any of the attacks used against me.
I admit, I called someone a Liberal.
Sorry, for the name calling.
Listen.
Keep the personal attacks to ourselves and there's no problem.
Now, if you wish to keep discussing ME, be my guest. Although I am much too boring to be the object of the entire forum IMHO.
Let's talk about something else.
I mean, some people WANT to be the center of attention. I'm not one of them.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: I mean, some people WANT to be the center of attention. I'm not one of them.
Coulda fooled me -- I mean, from the way you started right off......
FG
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Welcome to Hatrack, Chad.
Work for Hatrack, and Hatrack will work for you.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Do you have a good recipe for fish chowder?
I have extensive difficulties with cooking fish. Texture problems. Sara Moulton from the Food Network did an awesome-looking salmon chowder recently, and I might just try again. Her shredded pork and hominy soup was outrageously good.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Not a big fish eater. Especially seafood. Sorry, other than shrimp it all has a salt water taste that begs to be flavored over.
And I like the JFK type quote.
Ask NOT what Hatrack can do for you, but do what you can for Hatrack!
And howdy and thanks!
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Sara, ick! Have some yummy vegetables. Take a red onion, zuchinni, squash, mushrooms, and a bunch of asparagus. Add 3 tablespoons olive oil and some salt and pepper. Bake at 450 for 30 minutes. Serve with yummy crusty french bread.
space opera
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
No, not quite. You don't even have to apologize, as far as I'm concerned.
What I think is important, based on what I've seen over the years, is that you recognize that you WERE being abrasive, and understand that the people who were replying to you were responding harshly because of that perceived abrasiveness.
And before you say that you hadn't meant to be offensive, consider what you just said. Out of all the things you've said to tick people off -- and there've been a few -- the one you apologized for, the one you considered "name-calling," was the whole "liberal" bit. I agree that, yes, it's funny that you leapt to the conclusion that Dag (a strongly Catholic conservative) was a liberal. But your "apology" here was clearly meant as a further attack on liberals, to suggest that people should think that "liberal" is in fact a dirty word that no one deserves to be called.
People will call you on stuff like that around here, Chad. Later on, as we get more used to you and your posting style, we'll probably recognize some verbal "tics" and let those slide -- but it's not a good idea to start out on offense on your very first day. You managed to alienate even the people on this board who agree with you -- and, in case you were wondering, the board's got a majority of social conservatives and is pretty evenly split on fiscal issues. There are fewer Bush supporters than you might expect from a conservative board, but it's still almost 50/50. You are, in other words, going to catch more flies with honey than vinegar around here.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Sara, if you find any ways of cooking fish without it smelling fishy let me know. I get nauseous at the smell of fish and I've never bee pregnant. Steve loves fish but he's only allowed to cook it when I'm not home. He didn't believe me at first but now he's seen me turn green and it isn't pretty.
I'm not anti fish, but I don't knkow what to do about the nausea.
AJ
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Okay, Telp. I gotta pin you down and get some righteous favor.
Was I not correct in telling you when you first came that this was a huge yawning gaping time-sucking vortex that, essentially, would be a black hole of home to you?
Hmmm? Right, eh? I spotted you for a mark at your first post, dude.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
And the fact that we are giving you so much attention, Chad, should tell you something.
This place is special... a place for true debate, learning, and for making friends. To become part of any community you have to win its trust and respect. You kind of came in with guns blazing, rocking the equilibrium we have here. And the way to have true debate is to attack the subject, not the person.
Good luck!
[ September 21, 2004, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
quote:Okay, Telp. I gotta pin you down and get some righteous favor.
Was I not correct in telling you when you first came that this was a huge yawning gaping time-sucking vortex that, essentially, would be a black hole of home to you?
Hmmm? Right, eh? I spotted you for a mark at your first post, dude.
Yes you did Sara... Rock rock on! Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Just don't listen to me.
Unless, of course, you are a robot.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Fish chowder:
2 cups Milk 1 lb. cod 12 oz. imitation crab 1/2 lb. shelled shrimp 1 tin clams 8 oz. fish broth 8 oz. clam broth 8 oz. sour cream 2 oz. lemon juice Chopped onion (sauteed in 2 tbsp. butter) Chopped celery 4 potatoes, peeled and chopped 2 carrots, peeled into short strips Chopped basil Tarragon Sage Celery salt Salt & pepper
I'm trying to do the proportions from memory, but I recall that this worked pretty well.
[ September 21, 2004, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I guess what never fails to confuse me is that thought that it's impossible one could be wrong. If I had started out at Hatrack by creating a thread or post that everyone attacked me for, I'd be wondering what I said wrong, not what was wrong with everyone else.
But maybe it's just me.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Just reading down that recipe I literally shuddered when I hit the fish and clams.
AJ
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Bah! Vegetables, people, vegetables!!!
space opera
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
The recipe started with fish and clams. It's a fish chowder. It has fish in it. Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
People???? Vegetable People Stew?
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Silly Telpy.
The world would be a happier place if we all ate more veggies.
space opera
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Why?!? Are the veggies out to get us? Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I skimmed, I missed the "cod" at the beginning, it was the fish broth and clam broth that makes me shudder. (I shuddered again, and totally involuntarily when I typed clam broth too)
quote:ARTIST: Arrogant Worms TITLE: Carrot Juice Is Murder Lyrics and Chords
Listen up, brothers and sisters Come hear my desperate tale I speak of our friends of nature Trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppression Served on our tables each night This killing of veggies is madness I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers Cole slaw's a fascist regime Don't think that they don't have feelings Just 'cause a radish can't scream
{Refrain} I've heard the screams of the vegetables, scream scream scream Watching their skins being peeled, having their insides revealed Grated and steamed with no mercy, burning off calories How do you think that feels, bet it hurts really bad Carrot juice constitutes murder, and that's a real crime Greenhouses prisons for slaves, let my vegetables grow It's time to stop all this gardening, it's dirty as hell Let's call a spade a spade, it's a spade it's a spade it's a spade
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
(Space Opera, I loves me veggies. Thumbs up! AJ, I'll let you know. My expectations are lightly here, if at all.)
Tom, I think I overcook it, as in boil the fish. It isn't the right flaky texture.
Here's Sara M's recipe (more fish-oriented, very simple). Pretty much just salmon, potatoes and onion in heated milk with butter and dill, topped with lemon and smoked salmon. She gives a recipe for homemade lemon pepper crackers, too.
(And Tom, was Christy looking for pot pie recipes? She did a pot pie show recently.)
quote:6 to 8 boiling potatoes (about 1 pound) 4 tablespoons (1/2 stick) unsalted butter 1 medium onion, finely chopped 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour 5 cups whole milk, heated 1 pound salmon fillet, skinned 4 ounces smoked salmon, finely chopped 1/4 cup chopped fresh dill 2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
To make the chowder: Peel the potatoes and cut into 1/4-inch cubes. Melt the butter in a saucepan over low heat; add the onion and cook, stirring often until softened, about 5 minutes. Whisk in the flour and cook for about 3 minutes. Increase the heat to medium-high, pour in the hot milk, and bring to a boil, whisking constantly. Add the potatoes, season with salt, and reduce the heat to medium-low. Cook until the potatoes are almost tender, 10 to 12 minutes. Add the salmon, and cook until slightly firm to the touch, about 5 minutes. Transfer the salmon to a plate and break into chunks. Add the chunks, smoked salmon, dill and lemon juice to the hot chowder. Season with salt and pepper and simmer until just heated through, about 2 minutes. Serve hot with crackers on the side.
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
I'd wager dkw is very familiar with Veggie Tales.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
What's funny is that those two fish chowders would wind up tasting very different indeed, despite the milk, potatoes, and lemon juice. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Space Opera -- I would love to try your recipe cited above, both because I love vegies, and also for my mom, who's a vegetarian...
But have you PRICED some of that produce lately -- like Asparagus? Wow! You need a cash cow to eat your vegies and fruits these days.
Farmgirl
Posted by DocCoyote (Member # 5612) on :
Overcooking is probably the problem, Sara. Fish needs to be just cooked: undercooked is nasty, overcooked falls apart into unrecognizable stuff at the bottom of the pot.
Serve it as soon as it's cooked. Fish chowder doesn't wait on the guests, make the guests (or spouse) wait on the chowder.
L
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
"Its the attack, of the killer tomatos. Killer tomatos Killer tomatos"
Duh, where's that food/song thread when I need it.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
In the situation of the killer tomatoes, the tomatoes are not technically food.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I love the way this thread is now a vegetable and fish recipe discussing thread.
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
i'm addicted to cheese; veggies are a bargain in my house
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Thanks, Doc. Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
kerinin, we are currently hosting a wild morel and leek jack, a 4-yr aged cheddar, and a sweet little baby swiss in a bonnet. We are not very hospitabale hosts, as we eat our guests -- slowly -- but we keep the door to the fridge open, and they trot right in.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
I do have a question out of curiosity.
Why post that you know my address and telephone #?
What was your purpose and intent in so doing?
Curious.
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
For your own good, I'm sure. He's letting the rest of us know that you're a real person and not the latest incarnation of a recurring troll.
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
well i was really hoping to try some of that veggie an people soup this afternoon...
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Honestly, I felt a little guilty "knowing" that info, and wanted to let you know that you should probably take some steps to be perhaps a little MORE private on the Internet. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't actually write it down -- but on the downside, that info comes up the first time someone googles you. It's not a big deal, but I HAVE been occasionally plagued in MeatSpace by jerks who've taken advantage of my lack of anonymity: signed up for magazine subscriptions, received mailed death threats with satellite photos of my house, etc.
At the very least, I felt that if it's "creepy" to "figure out" that someone's name is Sarah because it's in her E-mail addy, it's far, far creepier to discover the names of someone's entire family with a single web search. By making that explicit, I was deliberately turning my cards over early; I didn't want to have that "advantage," especially if it had the potential to make you uncomfortable in the future.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Chad, like many spots on the net, Hatrack has had its seething waves of recurrent young flame warriors. (Old ones, too.) People are snarkier when they think you're just another pseudonym some antisocial jerk is hiding behind to yank the same chain, again, and again, and again.
I think Tom knew you were okay with the information being out there, since you were using your real name. [or -- as he said above -- thought you might not realize it! never occurred to me, actually] I wouldn't myself have expected it to phase you for that very reason -- but making it clear that you were non-anonymous did make sense to get you out of the it's-him-again slushpile.
[ September 21, 2004, 04:47 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]
Posted by the master (Member # 6788) on :
I thought sarcasmo said it was creepy until she realized that was how he'd figured it out?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Tom knew it would only stun.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Ah. Even less creepy, then. So I am far, far creepier than Chad.
Edit: And, yes, I was motivated in looking you up to establish that you were not, in fact, yet another anonymous troll; we don't get many of 'em, but the ones we do get are time-wasters. Had you not provided a name, this process would have taken somewhat longer. *wry laugh* So I appreciate your candor, and apologize for having taken advantage of it.
[ September 21, 2004, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
I haven't been here for long Chad, and I'm only just beginning to get to know folks. But I think I can guess what got them annoyed at you, at least in the Abortion -> Death penalty thread. At least, this is certainly what ticked me off:
quote: Curious because it seems quite an indefensible position when you take an innocent unborn baby (fetus) and end it's life, but take a convicted murderer and say he has the right to live (and vote if you are a Michael Moore fanboi).
"Curious because it seems quite an indefensible position..."
You posed a flamatory question, and then declared the oposing opinion 'indefensible'. So you've effectively announced right there: Here's a famatory question I'm asking which you're probably very opinionated on, here's my opinion on it, and oh I consider any opinion different from mine to be indefensible and will therefore be ignored.
"Michael Moore fanboi" Offensive to several people, not least: people who hold that opinion but don't have a very high opinion of Michael Moore, and people who do like Michael Moore.
One thing I've already learned about Hatrack even in my short time here, if you're polite and respectful of other people, they'll treat you with politeness and respect. If you're offensive, they'll take you apart for it.
...they, perhaps I should say 'we', becuase thats an awesome way for a forum to be and a forum like that is one I want to be a part of
[ September 21, 2004, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Alcon ]
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Farmgirl, I know. Prices are slowly starting to rise as we head into winter. Plus, the asparagus looks kind of scrawny, too. However, there are still all kinds of fun and moderately cheap things to do with veggies. The other night we had a great salad - baby spinach, mushrooms, and diced eggs covered with shredded mozz. cheese. Yum!
sndrake -
space opera
Posted by kerinin (Member # 4860) on :
then there was this from the kerry thread
quote:You are not there Mr. Kerry. My Family Members ARE.
And they say YOU are a liar.
Anyone who thinks otherwise, is a fool. And Kerry is their king.
which i hope doesn't even need explaining.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Tom, did you call him?
Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
Anna, cook a fresh fish with lots of spices. The longer the fish has been frozen, the "fishier" it is. We had perch curry last night which was great, and I hate fishy fish. Tuna is great, btw. Nothing like the smelly stuff in the can and has more of a meaty texture.
Yup, Sara, put the fish in ten to fifteen mins before you are going to serve and simmer.
SO, we're doing 7 veggie couscous tomorrow Doc says one fish a week, though, so I'm trying really hard.
[ September 21, 2004, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Christy ]
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
Whoops! I apologize for that one. My bad.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
PSI they are not, technically, vegetables either.
Of course that Tomato--Fruit/Veggie debate is yet another topic that brings out trolls, name calling, and bad feelings.
Perhaps we'd best not worry about it.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: I thought sarcasmo said it was creepy until she realized that was how he'd figured it out?
You're exactly right. Except for the "sarcasmo" part...
I've almost forgiven my family for going to Seattle without me, going on a charter boat, and catching 200 lbs of salmon; which they barbecued at the family reunion for the next two days.
Almost.
Mmmm...ffffish.
And tomatoes, as anyone WITH A BRAIN knows, are berries.
[ September 21, 2004, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:I have extensive difficulties with cooking fish.
You know, my wife was recently in Chile, and tried a fish dish there in which, she said, the meat was cooked by immersion in lemon juice, rather than by heat. I've been meaning to ask about that here for days. Anybody know anything about that? What's going on chemically that the meat would take on a "cooked" texture and flavor simply from contact with citric acid?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
That would be ceviche... here's a description. I've got a lovely salmon tartare that follows the same principles, I'll find it and post it after work if you like.
Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
You just named it Acid "cooks" the meat in a chemical reaction, just as it would "burn" your skin.
Edit: Eljay's article says it denatures the proteins specifically.
[ September 22, 2004, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Christy ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Interesting article ElJay, thanks. Do post the salmon tartare, if you've got time.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: Of course that Tomato--Fruit/Veggie debate is yet another topic that brings out trolls, name calling, and bad feelings.
This is true. I stand firmly on the side of "seeds on the inside/outside" debate and I can't tolerate the "citric acid" people. I can still love them, but I disagree with how they classify their vegetation.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Y'know, any time I see this thread, the phrase "Hatrack; 'tis a silly place," pops into my head, full with Monthy Python speech.
-Bok
EDIT: I should add that this is a good thing
[ September 22, 2004, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Bokonon ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Personally, I think God hates citric acid people. They're all going straight to hell. Mark my words.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
You guys are making me ill with the talk of cooking fish.
I have a personal policy about food - if it breathes underwater, I don't eat it.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Then we are all going to hell.
Just think--the entire species, cursed to eternal torment by an accident of chemistry.
quote:I have a personal policy about food - if it breathes underwater, I don't eat it.
Does that include amphibians Belle?
[ September 22, 2004, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
Belle- I couldn't agree more!
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
quote:12 oz. imitation crab
Nothing more inflammatory than using imitation crab.
Die, Mr. Davidson.
Die.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Sadly, real crab is rather difficult to obtain in Wisconsin. Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
There are lots of crabs in Wisconsin. Most of them live in Milwaukee.
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
I guess it depends on what type of "crabs" you're talking about. Posted by Jess N (Member # 6744) on :
Imitation crab is a bit like imitation chocolate---a travesty. Of course, I sort of understand, however, if real crab is hard to get. That's when you substitute crawfish in your recipe!
Chad--
[ September 22, 2004, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: Jess N ]
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