*nominates Rockmuffin, Katharina, AKA, Mack, Raia, Olivet, JennyGardner, and Kama*
:-)
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Don't forget Hobbes.
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
Kama (vodka bottle required) BannaOJ (3-star letter required) ElJay ("kiss me" shirt required) KWSNI (hat required) Jenny (miniskirt required) Mack (foil required)
Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
Imogen. Gotta have a cute Ozzie in there.
RRR. Cutest. Smile. Ever.
Rivka. What, like you were going to have a calendar without Rivka.
[ August 18, 2004, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: tt&t ]
Posted by MoonRabbit (Member # 3652) on :
I could probably photoshop Hobbes' face on an appropriate body.
I want to know who goes with which month?
And why?
I'm determined not to let this degrade into yet another Jenny Gardener worship thread (not that there's anything wrong with that). Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Well, thanks Kylie. At least some-one took the hint.
And of course, I think my month should be shared with you - the girls down-under look. I could have a kangaroo and you could have a sheep...
( )
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
Nothing like a popularity contest to make people feel like shit.
Seriously, now any girl who's posted her picture on foobonic or any other hatrack spinoff forum, who also posts a fair bit, and doesn't get a nomination, is probably going to feel slighted.
So I nominate everyone.
Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
Imogen -
My sheep will beat your kangaroo any day.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Fitz, I like you.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Sheep-kangaroo wrestling.... a whole new sport.
Fitz, I agree. Maybe we can everyone on the calender, but with month-related activities. You know, elf hats for December. Nothing for february. Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
Nothing for February?
I bags not being February.
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
quote: I bags not being February.
They're all English words... yet I don't understand it at all.
Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
LOL
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
*feels slighted* Posted by tt&t (Member # 5600) on :
Well, if the girls for February are wearing nothing, I'm not being February.
Dibs? Ummm. *shrug* Must be a Kiwi, possibly English thing.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
<---- agrees with Fitz.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
As for nominating everyone, I'm thinking they want at least two girls in each spread. Sickos.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
I would agree with Fitz, except that I'm not a girl, and I don't have a photo on foobonic or any other Hatrack spinoff, and I still feel slighted.
[ August 18, 2004, 01:26 AM: Message edited by: Da_Goat ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Beverly really does somewhat like Jennifer what's her name. Connelly?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Hobbes Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
No one nominated me. All of my insecurities have now flooded my mind. My life is forever ruined!
space opera
edit: Though I did say that jokingly, to be honest I was kinda like, "Darn!"
[ August 18, 2004, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Space Opera ]
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
It's OK, SO. We can angst alone in our corner together. Or something.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Ah, we need a group picture. Naming individuals isn't really a good idea. Hatrack women are beautiful, and there are simply not enough months.
[ August 18, 2004, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
I'm surprised Kasie wasn't nominated. Nor pH. I'd definetely enjoy seeing both of them in the altogether *Dodges fruit*
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Okay, I was gonna more or less keep my mouth shut, but that's never been a strength, so here goes.
Regardless of the fact that people's feelings have a strong potential for getting hurt by this little game, why in the blue blazes would anyone want to be in a "Girls of Hatrack" calendar in the first place? Infantile. Don't try to tell me the idea behind this isn't a cheesecake calendar... and I acknowledge and accept the fact that men and women look at this sort of thing differently. But I still believe that running into the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit calendar and the like has done just huge amounts of harm to many young women's self-esteem. And I find the idea of a bunch of guys sitting here and evaluating which women they want to see in a "Girls of Hatrack" calendar not merely insulting but repugnant.
Yeah, sometimes it's fun to look good. I would be lying if I said I don't enjoy attention, and I'm not really mature enough to be able to honestly say I only like it when it comes based on my postings and my ideas and my witty charm and not when it comes based on my looks. But if I wanted people judging and ranking me based on my looks, I'd go enter a beauty pagent. Don't hold your breath.
[ August 18, 2004, 09:20 AM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: And I find the idea of a bunch of guys sitting here and evaluating which women they want to see in a "Girls of Hatrack" calendar not merely insulting but repugnant.
I think you might mean to say that you find it repugnant to do it publicly because surely you don't believe that privately guys and girls don't talk about who's good looking all the time? I'm guessing you don't find that repugnant? Or do you?
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
ElJay, I knew I liked you for some reason.
space opera
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well, at least we all know that if they ever do a "guys of Hatrack" calendar, Frisco gets the cover. I mean -- who can compete with that?
(purposely derailing thread in different direction to cause division)
Farmgirl
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I think there's a difference between saying someone's cute and and ranking and evaluating them against other people. It's not the public vs private context, it's the oooh, we've got 12 months to fill, let's discuss and provide reasons for who gets in.
For instance, I would not be at all insulted if someone who had never met me happened to see my picture for the first time and post in a public forum "Hmmmmm. ElJay's freakin' gorgeous." I probably wouldn't respond to it, it's a throw-away. No big deal either way, kinda flattering. But why in the world would we need to turn it into a competition?
I was an ugly duckling, folks, and I did my change into a swan rather late. I remember exactly how much attention guys paid to me before, and how much after. And I don't necessarily think that's wrong... physical attraction/chemestry is a big part of life, and it's not going away. Talking about who you're attracted to is not objectifying. Picking who you want to see in a calendar is. Maybe it's too fine a line, but it looks like it's drawn in neon to me.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
CT, you beat me to it, how about we just change this into a mutual admiration thread? I really like you, and I'm so sorry you couldn't join us last weekend. I can't wait to meet you, will you come to Dana's pre-wedding midwest ladies Henna party in St Paul? I promise no cameras.
Farmgirl, I hope you can make it, too. I didn't get to spend nearly enough time with you in Chicago. And I didn't realize when you were getting ready for church that you weren't coming back, so I didn't even get to say goodbye to you and IvyGirl. So glad I got to talk to you a little Friday night.
(Edit: typos)
[ August 18, 2004, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Eljay -- a pre-wedding Henna party sounds fun -- didn't realize you were putting one together. We certainly plan to hopefully go to DKW & Bob's wedding --at least out where she ends up putting all the Hatrackers when there are too many of us for the reception...
Yes -- we kind of quietly slipped out Sunday morning -- I hate goodbyes (it was hard enough saying goodbye to my sister after church). Most everyone was still asleep after the fire alarm thing, so we went on to church, and since it was on the far west side of Chicago (Naperville) we just headed home from there. I really wish I had spent a lot more time talking with other Hatrackers there -- there were so many that I didn't get beyond the "hello" with....
Farmgirl
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
See I wasn't figuring the calendar in terms of nudity or beauty at all. I was trying to fit in terms of interest. Like for example mackillian likes snowboarding and fencing. So should she end up in a winter or summer month. Or both, and in proper snowboarding or fencing attire in each.
It should be based on what OUR favorite month is, not whatever the guys think.
I have a love-hate relationship with December. Christmas Birthdays kind of suck But I feel more passionately about it than any other month of the year. So I guess I'd pick it because it is the only month I'm less than ambivalent about as just another month of the year. (And, because it is so dang cold here in Chicago I would probably be in clothing that resembles an eskimo, if you could see my nose you'd be extremely lucky)
So what is your favorite month?
AJ
[ August 18, 2004, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
Thank you ElJay.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
ELJay:
quote: But if I wanted people judging and ranking me based on my looks, I'd go enter a beauty pagent. Don't hold your breath.
Damn. Now I have to find someone else to nominate.....
ElJay, can we just pretend that I haven't read any of your posts and am just comenting on your beautiful pictures?
Does it make it better or worse than my wife agrees that the pics were good, and that you are pretty?
I think this wasn't intended to exclde anyone, it probably just seemed like a fun way to extend KamaCon, and maybe allow the poor saps like my wife and I who couldn't go to KamaCon to share in the fun.
I would have been interested in having a calander, but to tell you the truth I find it an obnoxious assumption that the only reason I would want one is that I am a guy, so therefore I must want it to be all bikinis.
Not that I have an objection to swimwear, but if that is all I would want I wouldn't be looking at Hatrack for it, no offence intended. I would simply buy one of the many available swimsuit issues.
God knows I couldn't have wanted one because of I wish I could have met them in person.....right?
Kwea
[ August 18, 2004, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I think part of my problem with months of the year is that I grew up in Southern California. The seasons there are wind, rain, fire and flood. You don't get the distinctive seasons that exist in most parts of the world.
As far as that goes the warmer months are my favorite seasons though July and August can get a bit hot. I still since I've been up here haven't really gotten out to play in the snow. I keep wondering if I try to make time to do so, if it will improve my opinon of December through February. February in particular is pretty bleak. Still haven't ever made a snowman. I need to get around to that one of these days.
AJ
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I don't see really trying to redeem to idea of the calendar. "Girls of..." connotes booty in my mind. So I thought we were just kidding around.
Even the "well so and so could be doing this..." goes down the same road. We are evaluated by our roles, by some activity that impresses others. So I get to be folding towels, I guess. Actually, I just had a big fight with my husband because he always me to critique his marketing materials and then he proceeds to refute all my suggestions. So if I seem a little on edge, I apologize. And I shouldn't say "always". I've just never known it not to happen.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
CT you are normally better at subtle subversiveness than this... It wasn't supposed to be blatant!
AJ
*points* Look over there! A flock of wallabies!
[ August 18, 2004, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Theca, you're welcome, and I hope you also make it to the Henna party. I'm thinking probably January or February, so we're not asking people to travel twice so close together.
Kwea, like I said, I'm fine with people commenting on my looks in general. That goes for you AND your wife. I'm just going to take it with a grain of salt... because I had absolutly nothing to do with it. I got lucky in the gene pool. It's part of who I am, but it does not define me.
And I didn't mean to imply that people were thinking we'd all be in bikinis... 'cause believe me, you ain't getting a picture of me in a bikini. Just that from the tone of the thread, a cheesecake calendar of some sort was implied. And I agree that there's nothing wrong with liking to look at pictures of beautiful women in bikinis. I enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful women in bikinis. For one more reiteration, it's the judging and ranking I object to.
Now I'm going to work. Have fun, all... can't wait to see what this looks like in 9 hours when I get back. Muhahahahahaha!
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
NP, pooka, I was simply pointing out the other side of things.
I thought it was just a fun thing to think about, and it made me wish I had been at KamaCon a bit more.
Not that I didn't already wish it in the first place.
Now, had the suggestion been "Hatrack Girls Gone Wild", you might have had a point...
Still, who said anything about you folding laundry? It's true, we are always being judged...on looks, attitude, activities...but that doesn't mean that those "judgments" have any affect on you, not unless you let them.
I think I could see you as Miss Febuary, sitting in front of a fire reading an OSC book, with snow in the window. Or maybe reading a paper, as you see by your posts to be interested in politics, at least a little.
Kwea
[ August 18, 2004, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
ELJay:
quote: I enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful women in bikinis.
I'm sorry, were you talking? I was busy looking at your pics again...
Frisco would have a field day with this one...or he would try, and be shot down again, and again, and...
ELJay, you can be Miss January, and be bundled in a snowsuit....but wearing a bikini under it all, just to tease...
[ August 18, 2004, 10:43 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
So this is another KamaCon thread? Okay, I've been pretty patient. :explodes, leaving pooka jam all over the computer screen:
P.S. I have issues. Sorry all. I wanted to be there, but the fact that I wasn't is very tied up with a lot of other stress in my life right now.
[ August 18, 2004, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
:::wipes Pooka Jam from face::
Well, not nevcessarily, but it seemed to be started by AJ, and a lot of people nominated just posted their pics from KamaCon on foobonic.
Hey, you got nominated, so be happy!
Wait....this isn't one of those calanders like the old Brittish women did, is it?
I'll take 100.
Kwea
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Hey, MoonRabbit, you still in the navy? Or am I nuts?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
CT you are my role model for the Art of Subtlety... I'm trying to improve my internet skills first especially since I don't have any subtlety in person!
AJ
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, if you don't remember to eat once and a while,AJ, it will soon be a moot point...
Kwea
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Yesterday I suddenly discovered I had an appetite again and rampaged through the house on a ravenous quest for food. (We had lots of chineese leftovers donated by some generous jatraqueros.) I also got the first sound nights sleep for the entire night. So I don't think you've actually got to worry about me melting away any time soon...
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Kwsni, flys kites. So she gets at least part of a corner on March.
Seriously the hatrack calendar, had me imagining one of those campy collages on each month that people with small children make for the grandparents.
The only drooling that should go on would involve Sophia teething.
AJ
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Am I the only one to take this as a fun loving joke?
Don't worry, I can't think of any girls, or guys for that matter, at Hatrack who need worry about suddenly feeling more bueatiful than another -- or the other way around. Everyone I have seen looks exactly like the readers and thinkers this place in known for and not like bikini models.
This thread does show, however, the extreme insecurity that resides here.
And, for your information, I would be one of the least people to be picked for one of these things on looks. Yet, I don't care. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
LOL, AJ!
BTW Occ. I imagine you'd be picked.....occasionally....
Kwea
[ August 18, 2004, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:Everyone I have seen looks exactly like the readers and thinkers this place in known for and not like bikini models.
Oh good grief. Now you are being insulting, and not even being clever about it.
-------
I don't like rankings or popularity contests at all.
[ August 18, 2004, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
I find it odd that the Official Hatrack Calendar would be of people when the people here are so fleeting. But I guess it's easier to take a snap shot of a person than an idea.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
CT's my hero.
(You're the second person in three days to call me deceptively innocent-looking. )
[ August 18, 2004, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
Eep! I was actually nominated! Nobody ever picks me for anything!
(((Noah))) Thanks!
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
would it have been better if I was clever about it?
Then again, maybe there are some aspiring bikini models here that I didn't know about.
[ August 18, 2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Occasional ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
You might have qualified as a thinker.
[ August 18, 2004, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
Oh well, I don't like clever anyway. It comes off as deceptive. Rather have my thinking succinct and to the point.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Well said, CT.
I think it's the difference between treating people as they are and as you think they should be. If you hold people responsible for what they "should" be, then you can say things that are insulting, and it's their fault for getting hurt.
If you actually want to deal with humans and be a part of reality, you have to accept and deal with people as they are.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
You know I suddenly realized Richard Berg's comment was probably really cryptic to those who weren't at KamaCon, it didn't even make sense to me for a while.
The "three star letter" comment didn't have anything to do with appearance whatsoever! You see I gave the crazy grandma letter binder I have to Tom Davidson while at KamaCon. I had had them organized in chronological order for a while and had ranked the letters with stars for their general outrageousness.
If you see a "three star" letter, you know you've got a really entertaining one where Grandma is on a tear! But in the reading frenzy the letters were strewn all over the floor for a while. Mayday did a Herculean job of sorting them out and they left organized far better than they arrived. There have been rumors of a Grandma Blog upcoming, with the names changed to protect the innocent.
AJ
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
Hmm. I just got back and was reading this thread. Throughout the entire thing, I just kept thinking how funny this is. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? I've pointed out people I thought were attractive in magazines to Mr. Opera and he has often thought they were quite UNattractive, and vice versa.
Occasional, as far as the insecurities here, I think this thread has brought up far more outrage. I've been judged on my looks (like everyone else) my entire life, and the last place I ever expected to be judged was Hatrack.
space opera
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
*puts Space Opera, Max and kids on calendar*
Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
AJ
I should explain more. To tell the truth, I felt that all the Hatrack people I met at the Con were attractive. I tend to find people I like attractive, and I liked all of them. Not getting nominated for a calendar didn't bother me - I feel confident of my hotness. I was just surprised to see this kind of thing even being discussed. We're Hatrack, and we value people, not their appearances. I do like the idea of a calendar with everyone as a big happy group just because we rawk.
space opera
edit: And I meant all of us, not just the Con-goers.
[ August 18, 2004, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Space Opera ]
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
I guess I have come to grips with who I am and what I look like. Not saying I wish I wan't some hunk of a guy, but that will never be so I think I have come to accept that. Frankly, marriage has probably helped to sooth my concerns and contributed to my personal security.
I guess a "beauty contest" has become the least of my problems. Because of that, it surprised me at the rage felt by some and even was a bit amusing. Comes off as prepubesent rantings equal to the accusations of the same for even bringing the topic up.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
If you feel good about it then, maybe the best thing to do would be to help other peole get there and not insult them for not being there?
Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
These sorts of discussions always remind me of an incident in Champaign-Urbana.
Hooters decided to open up there and a group of "feminists" (as much as I hate to use the word) decided to protest on their opening day. The waitresses came outside and offered the feminists to come inside and meet them and hang out and have a beer, promising them that they really were nice girls and missing the entire point of the protest.
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
My name is Bob the Lawyer, and I have been known to make snap judgements about people based on their appearance when they deviate from my "norm." Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong and most of the time I never get to know the person well enough to find out.
It comes with being human.
Or maybe I'm just a terrible person. The jury is still out on that.
(Not that I'm pro popularity contests, but people saying they've never made judgements about someone based on their appearance baffle me.)
Posted by Occasional (Member # 5860) on :
I don't feel good about it. I have just come to grips with those feelings.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:CT: Yes, I find ranking lists of persons on physical characteristics to be repugnant, either in public or in private
I have one of those lists
1. Annie 2. Everybody else
Sorry CT.
Hobbes Posted by Space Opera (Member # 6504) on :
I agree. Of course everyone makes judgements based on appearance. Whether you find most people attractive or not, some people will inevitably be more attractive than others to you.
I think the problem many are having - aside from the vomit factor of popularity contests - is that it's just silly and could possibly hurt someone's feelings. I certainly think there are several people on this forum who would rank pretty high on my internal attractiveness monitor, but I'm not gonna start a thread listing them. In this way Hatrack is a lot like a family - if you include only some publicly, then you leave others out.
I think I've said my piece now. I just hate seeing this kind of thing on Hatrack, just like I hate seeing debates turn into name-calling, which doesn't happen very often, thank goodness.
space opera
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
I have the simple solution . . . we have surely had enough group get-togethers that there is at least one for each month.
Ta-daaa!!!!
And probably, something COULD be put together that is very Hatrack based and the Card's could sell it and off-set the costs of running this joint . . .
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
We should have a Couples of Hatrack Formed in 2004 2005 Calendar. I'm sure there's at least 12.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Actually, I love the idea of a Hatrack Calendar. But I think each month should be a collage of people (female *and* male) who are willing to be on it and are interested in or have been nominated to be on that month. No popularity contest, just a calendar Jatraqueros could purchase and have in their home as a reminder of the people who mean so much to them. No one need be left out, but people could opt to not be included.
A couple years ago, my parents gave all us kids such a calendar of our family, each month having a collage of pictures. I loved it!
Posted by NdRa (Member # 2295) on :
*raises hand* I will sacrifice myself to be in the hatrack calender. I have no moral objections to anything so that's gotta make up for all that I lack in as calender girl material. 15 minutes of semi-fame, here I come!
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
"Hi, I'm Tom Davidson. " "Criminals are a cowardly and superstitious lot."
Posted by Christy (Member # 4397) on :
Storm Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
If only your brain was my brain, you would find that funny, too.
Meh, so tired.
I just had this vision of Tom's section of the calendar being him all grim, dark and batman-y. Funny, see? No? Go to first sentence of this post.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
How about "The Memes of Hatrack" calendar?
January could be Dobie month... February could be hug thread month... March could be the glad-this-isn't-an-onanism-month... december could be the last post month... Thor could supply some of the artwork...
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Or it could be the best pics, regardless of who is in them.
I saw some awsome shots Mack took, and I loved finding out who those people were.
I will add pics from the WMASS Picnic this weekend, feel free to use the group photo I will try to get.
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