Anyone check out Card's analysis of the Kerry campaign? Really good reading and very insightful.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Actually, it's pretty much your standard conservative screed (which is surprising, since OSC tends to have a different angle, even if he often reaches the same conclusion as more mainstream conservative commentators). Some people on Ornery pointed out some factual errors in the piece; one that really got me was the inaccurate jab at Dean; Dean had his own faults, but OSC completely mischaracterized Dean's actual position on Iraq (HINT: it was pretty close to Kerry's today).
The main difference was that Dean never voted for the war, and probably would not have voted so had he been in a position to (fruitless speculation either way, admittedly), but he also recognized that he would likely inherit (assuming he was elected) the situation, and an immediate pullback, ala Kucinich or Nader, would be unwise. Dean was for more internationalization of the troops.
-Bok
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
quote:We have a war going on. Anybody who's serious about winning it...
Hahahah...winning...hahaha...
*catches breath*
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Also, Letterman is not on NBC.
Posted by BrianM (Member # 5918) on :
It's more double-talk from the GOP smear machine. They get away with saying he's extremely and consistently liberal out of one side of their mouths, and out of the other side saying he flip-flops all the time. Soundbite and single-line politics always disgusts me, especially when they're laden with all the nasty vitriol as in OSC's editorial.
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
OSC is spreading lies about Dean???
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Who cares about Dean?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Well, I care a little, having been a supporter of his, and generally don't like mischaracterizations of people I have supported
But as far as political reality goes, he's pretty inert right now.
-Bok
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Smear Dean not! He is a wise, kind man! I shall detest anyone who dares to slander his reputation!
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Dean's ugly and his Momma dresses him funny.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
This article was on Ornery. For five extra credit points, can anyone explain for me why Ornery exists?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
To eat into msquared's productivity, I think
-Bok
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
It's on the front page of Hatrack, too.
Posted by Paul Goldner (Member # 1910) on :
So that we can have serious discussion that isn't drowned in frivolty, bonding, fluff, and discussions above movies, fiction, food, babies, etc?
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Ornery exists 'cause geezers gotta have a place to rant.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
The left right thread is about culture. Whether Cheney contributes to a civil society is cultural. But partisan belching contests really aren't. With all deference to our host, of course. I'm not saying such contests shouldn't exist, just that OSC has gone to some trouble to give them a place.
You may now go back to your regularly scheduled newbie roast.
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
I read "Orson Scott Card trips into John Kerry"
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Now THAT'S a story!
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
quote: You may now go back to your regularly scheduled newbie roast.
*thinks maybe pooka snuck away with the barbecue sauce, because, like, it's gone*
[ June 29, 2004, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"can anyone explain for me why Ornery exists?"
Ornery exists because OSC wanted to have a place where he could whine about Bill Clinton.
Posted by Redskullvw (Member # 1549) on :
Or maybe it exists so that OSC has a way to listen to you whine? Either way Paul got the real reason right.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
"Or maybe it exists so that OSC has a way to listen to you whine?"
Nope. I was happy with my statement of fact the first time around, thanks. Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, if it is a fact, no wonder you didn't post it at ornery...it would stick out.... Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
I thought it existed so that I could come to Hatrack and completely ignore anything political. Posted by Foust (Member # 3043) on :
OSC's political rants always baffle me.
He comes off as such a wise man in his fiction... but then he opens his mouth about real world politics, and drops off the deep end.
Like his review of The Day After Tommorow. Can anyone explain to me what the hell OSC is talking about in this quote?
quote:There's the standard lie that Leftist idiots tell about our current administration -- that it's really run by the Vice-President. And the more subtle lie that this is an administration that ignores danger and refuses to take decisive action -- which is the opposite of the truth, considering that they're getting crucified for taking action too quickly and too decisively.
Does OSC even listen to anyone on the "left"? Apparently not. I've never heard either one of these ideas expressed by anyone about any right wing government.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Ornery exists for the same reason Hatrack exists-- community building.
Someone once said that OSC's real political affiliation was communitarianism. Does anyone know where I can find the communitarian party website?
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
Tom D,
Was that an honest opinion you gave up yonder in the posts?
fallow
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Communitarianism sounds like a nicer way of saying authoritarianism.
Posted by Jutsa Notha Name (Member # 4485) on :
Actually, I get the picture that he would prefer a theocratic democracy, heavy on the theocratic part.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
quote: Ornery exists for the same reason Hatrack exists-- community building.
And making fun of people.
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
what sort of people?
Posted by Alai's Echo (Member # 3219) on :
No, making fun of people would get you banned. Oh, wait, no it won't. That only happens when certain individuals don't like you.
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
what sort of certain individuals?
(darn that was a long sentence to type out)
fallow
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
I wonder what Dan Brown thinks of John Kerry?
Does J.K. Rowling hate all the Idiot leftists?
Does Nora Roberts support a draft?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I have heard people say that about Chaney, but I don't think he has enough time to run the country AND fill Haliburton's pockets at the same time, so i don't believe it.
Also, Bush is getting creamed for going into Iraq too soo, or at all, depending on who if talking.
And there are all sorts of accusations towards Bush (some reasonable accusations, some unreasonable) about his response time during 9/11 and before it.
I think what OSC was gretting at was that the "left" can't have it's cake and eat it too....complain about going there at all, and then say Bush took too much time / too few troops to do it then.
Not that i agree, but that was his point, IMO.
Kwea
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
quote:It's precisely because he's a moderate that the Left is so rabid in their attacks on him [GWB].
-- From OSC's World Watch Column
Let's go through all of GWB's 'moderate' positions, shall we? How about a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage? That's some moderation right there. And his stance on abortion? He clearly toes the line. And his religious beliefs? Clearly, he is equally accepting of athiests as he is as he is of evangelical fundamentalists.
Yep, seems like a moderate to me. That's why I'm so darned mad at Bush. Stop the moderation!!
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:No, making fun of people would get you banned. Oh, wait, no it won't. That only happens when certain individuals don't like you.
Conspiracy theory is a wonderful thing.
Make a case or stop the whining, m'kay?
Dagonee
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Perhaps someone could tell me what's unreasonable about "Bush shouldn't have gone to Iraq but if he was going to go he should have done it right so the chaos and disruption was minimal".
The contradiction still completely eludes me.
Posted by Alai's Echo (Member # 3219) on :
quote:Conspiracy theory is a wonderful thing.
Make a case or stop the whining, m'kay?
Mmmm`kay Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Brilliant!
AE, I probably just missed this, but who are you?
[ July 12, 2004, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
quote:Conspiracy theory is a wonderful thing.
While I realize this wasn't directed at him, I think it perfectly fits Card's recent Op-Eds.
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