.....does anybody know when it's supposed to come out?
Posted by MEC (Member # 2968) on :
I don't know, but I do know the next movie comes out this year, the movie after that comes out next year, and the one after that supposedly comes out in 2007.
Just in case you were interested.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
GoF comes out the year after that? That's insane that they're that far along in filming already. I can't imagine packing that movie in in under three hours.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I expect it'll be a while on the next book--didn't she just have a baby not too long ago?
Posted by MaydayDesiax (Member # 5012) on :
I heard somewhere that they were planning on cutting GoF into two movies (like Kill Bill).
I can't wait to see what they do to the fifth book, then
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
That's an idea. Where do you think they'd make the division?
Edit: Also, don't you think Anthony Hopkins would make a great Moody?
[ April 29, 2004, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
After the second task? Or after the Yule ball?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Yeah, Noem, she did. 10 months ago, IIRC.
And as of March 5, the 6th book wasn't finished yet. So it's hard to guess when it will be out.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Production has already begun on Movie 4, and there are NO plans to divide it.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Then they'll have to cut a whole lot, I suppose.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
It is a movie. You want the whole entire story, go read the book.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
But breaking long movies into two (or more) isn't impossible. Check out Matrix 2 and 3 and the Kill Bill installments.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
I never noticed your member number before, Chris. Awesome! It's such a geek number.
Anyway, Matrix 2 & 3 were always planned to be released as individual films. Kill Bill was divided after the fact.
They're planning for this film to be no longer than 2 1/2 hours, tops. The screenplay will reflect that.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
A good site for all things HP related is The Leaky Cauldron.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
No need to be snippy. Or utterly rude for that matter.
[ April 29, 2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Book, I don't think they meant to be rude, it's just that the same conversation came up many times about LOTR.
Any good book would be impossible to be made into a movie, word for word. I think they will be able to do a good version of it in2 1/2 to 3 hours, same as they did for the LOTR films. They had to leave a lot out of the LOTR films, but their version is still as good as it gets as far as film goes.
It's like OSC says about the EG movie. He said that not everything the fans will want will be filmed, but the books will always be there even after the film is made.
Kwea
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
What bothers me about the movie version missing chunks of the plot is that some of them become more important later on, and I don't want to see the movies become progressively awkward trying to cover plot points that should have been included earlier.
Minor example: None of the movies have included much about the ghosts (except for Nearly Headless Nick and Moaning Myrtle). Peeves shows up much more in the 5th book and heavier use of them later on (should it happen) might look a bit odd.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Yeah, I know, that's why it seemed rude. I was just stating the obvious, I didn't expect so much hostility for almost no discernable reason.
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
Which is a shame. He would've been perfect.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Christopher Walken would have added a nice dimension to Voldemort, don't you think?
I said, bow. Or I'll stab you in the face with a soldering iron.
Dagonee
Posted by aretee (Member # 1743) on :
Aren't they going for all British actors? Or was that just to shut Rosie O'Donnel up?
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
I really wish they'd lengthen GoF. I KNOW that the movie can't be as complete as the book, but I was reading the book and thinking to myself, if you include even just the pertinent parts and leave out 90% of it, you still have an entire movie by the time the first trial is over. Anyway, the book ain't coming out anytime soon, IMO. There was such a long time between the last two...and having a baby couldn't have had too much to do with it, since the bulk of her work would have been basically over by the time the baby came.
Posted by Aeroth (Member # 6269) on :
Yeah, don't you just miss the days when JKR was pressured enough to come out with all her books yearly? Those were the days...
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I don't care what happens, as long I get to read a seventh book, I'm happy.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
I was spoiled. I was introduced to Harry Potter no less than a month before PoA came out.
Woe is me.
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I started reading right before Prisoner of Azkaban came out. I waited for Gof and OotP very impatiently. I'm used to it though.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
There are so many scenes in GOF that shouldn't be cut out... Sometimes I really hate when people make movies out of books I love.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
That's the problem. How are they going to include all those things intricate to the plot without reconstructing the plot altogether?
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I know Synesthesia. Take Timeline for example. Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
You know, since LOTR came out I bet they're going to try and more MORE movies out of books. The excuse will be "Well, hey, it worked for LOTR." And next thing you know, Alice in Wonderland involves a serial killer and a steamy love affair.
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
Well, Lord of the Rings movies have been attempted already. They were terrible. The recent LOTR movies are rare indeed.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
The L of the R movies kept the spirit of the book and managed to enthrall audiences. They at least made logical transitions for the most part. But most books to movies don't do that. Worse ever books to movies- Practical Magic. It was horrible. There are others, but I can't think of them. Best book to movie- Matilda. It kept a lot from the book and added new stuff as well. A great movie! And also the movie version of the Little Princess was very, very excellent.
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
I don't usually like movies like that, but Matilda was one I really liked. Posted by harrypottergirl (Member # 7063) on :
Ilove Harry Potter! I want to figure out what the sixth book Harry Potter and the Pureblood Prince is about . Does anyone know? Posted by harrypottergirl (Member # 7063) on :
I'm playing Harry Potter 2, and I can't figure out how to defeat Aragog. Does anyone know? Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
Is it Harry Potter and the Pure Blood Prince? I thought it was Half-Blood Prince?
When Order of Phoenix came out we rushed out to buy it the first day--we had to go to three stores before we found it and then we had to pay FULL price Then we read it out loud as a family and had a rule that no one could peek ahead (this rule did get broken a few times ) It took longer this way- took us about a week- but it prolonged the experience.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
It's Half-Blood Prince. There was interesting speculation before Rowling clarified as to where the dash should go...and by this is the author of Eats, Shoots and Leaves justified. She would have hysterics.
Anyway, Half Blood-Prince or Half-Blood Prince. The former had fans speculating if the next book is primarily about Snapes with verification of his half vampiric nature. But no...it's Half-Blood Prince. Oh well.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
We were guessing that it might refer to Hagrid...
As to John Malkovich playing Voldemort, THANK HEAVENS that he's not. (He's so monotone!!!) I'm so excited to see Ralph Fiennes do it, I know he'll be disgustingly evil!! Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Narnia, I think that's probably a good guess. I went to a book signing by John Granger where he talked about it....it was really interesting. If you ever get a chance to hear him speak, he's very entertaining.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Hagrid does seem like the most likely candidate as there has been serious mention of the giants and it seems poor Harry already has enough titles heaped on his head at present.
I was working at Kroger when OotP came out - so I had it on release night and was already a quarter done by the time my shift ended.
I have to second the "if you want to enjoy the movie, ignore the book" chorus. I've yet to see a movie truly capture the essence of any book I really enjoyed. Of course, that may just be a comment on my literary tastes and movie expectations.
-Trevor
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
I do know that the Half-Blood Prince is NOT Harry -per something I read by JKR
Posted by Just another Dharma bum (Member # 6879) on :
Ok I work for a Harry Potter site, so I can give you what I know
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince has been speculated to be out next summer, as she has finished at least 14 chapters of the book and has said it will be shorter than Phoenix. This is just speculation.
The release date, like the title was, will be released on J.K. Rowling's site, www.jkrowling.com, so until then just wait and see.
UPDATE: According to a book store, the release date will be announced in January...
[ November 26, 2004, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Just another Dharma bum ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I just got some time to piddle around on the jkrowling.com and it was so fun! What a great website!
PS blacwolve, Rowling herself on the site mentioned above stated clearly that the half-blood prince is neither Harry nor Voldemort.
[ November 26, 2004, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Narnia ]
Posted by Eduardo_Sauron (Member # 5827) on :
You are such geeks! Aren't you ashamed!? Next thing, you'll be posting in some forum dedicated to some obscure Sci-Fi writer. Oh, wait...
Fond memories...he...I had quite an adventure buying "The Order of Phoenix". It came out in Brazil (in english) and in the rest of the world at the same time. And evey book was sold VERY fast. In English. I had to run a lot to get mine, hehehe.
I'm such a geek...
[ November 27, 2004, 07:27 AM: Message edited by: Eduardo_Sauron ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:PS blacwolve, Rowling herself on the site mentioned above stated clearly that the half-blood prince is neither Harry nor Voldemort.
Narnia- I know, the essay takes care of that. I could summarize here, but they say it so much better.
EDIT: I would quote it, but I'm not at all sure that would be ok with the author, which is why I'm not. I'm not trying to be a brat and force you to go out of your way just to see what I mean.
[ November 27, 2004, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: blacwolve ]
Posted by unicornwhisperer (Member # 294) on :
Cast of The Goblet of fire can be seen at This Site called Veritaserum. Best Harry Potter Website I've seen. The lady for Madam Maxime... doesn't look anything like a giant to me.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
mmm. I read that essay blacwolve...very curious. I'm not convinced, BUT I was really interested to see his theory. It makes sense. I also had missed that Rowling had said that talking about Tom Riddle would "ruin everything." Yikes! I thought we had gotten rid of him!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I don't like the guy they cast for Cedric. Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
I'm thinking that it'd be more likely to be a part-human character.
IIRC, there hasn't been any mention of royalty in the wizarding world... so for JKR to suddenly, in book 6, say, "Oh, right, they've got princes and princesses, what, didn't I mention that before?" would seem a bit arbitrary. But if she says, well, here's a human/giant like Hagrid, and he's the half-blood prince... that'd seem more plausible, since we don't know much about the organization of giants, and it's possible that they do have princes. Same goes for werewolves, vampires, goblins, centaurs, elves, etc...
Posted by Tatiana (Member # 6776) on :
Also, it just feels right. There's definitely something exalted about Hagrid. He's simple and humble, but he's got such a magnanimous spirit. I love how he loves all these disgusting and dangerous creatures that make everyone else just go ewwww. He goes awwwww. <laughs> And I love how tenderly he watched over Harry from babyhood, and how much care he took trying to get through to his own brother. Hagrid has been my favorite character for a long time, so it totally seems right to me that he should be a prince.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
blackwolve, Rowling specifically says that Tom Riddle is NOT the half-blood prince.
quote:Is Tom Riddle the Half-Blood Prince?
Well, as Tom Riddle is the same person as Voldemort, and Voldemort is NOT the Half-Blood prince...do I really need to answer this?
blacwolve, Rowling has confirmed that it is not not Tom Riddle either.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
ah, but she didn't answer.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Awww, two people posting the same thing right after each other .
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
and both jumping to conclusions Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
I read somewhere that two different people asked her at the Edinburgh Book Festival whether the HBP was Hagrid, and she said no both times.
Jen
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
But she did answer. Put in the form of a syllogism; Tom Riddle is Voldemort, Voldemort is not the Half-Blood Prince, Therefore, Tom Riddle is not the Half-Blood Prince.
Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
I also heard that we are going to learn a lot more about Harry's mother and where all Harry's money comes from Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
My money's on Seamus.
Why? Well... why not?
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
Or maybe the blundering Longbottom...
Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
I dunno, I think it might be a new character. In about all the books a new character is created and always turns out to be a very important one. My vote goes for the character that doesn't exist yet...
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
It's Snape.
-Trevor
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
It's not Neville, Neville's pure-blood.
Jen
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I'm starting to wonder. This huge deal is made about Lily, and how she died to save Harry. In interviews J.K. Rowling has said that Lily is going to be very important in future books. What about James though? Didn't he die to save Harry too? Or was his love less potent because he died trying to protect both Harry and Lily? Whatever happened to Harry's grandparents, any of them? Lily and James couldn't have been more than 23 or so when they had Harry, and it seems weird that both pairs of grandparents would have died prematurely.
I've been on a Harry Potter kick for the last few days, can you tell?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I think that James fought, knowing he would die. So he was sacrificing himself, but really only by risking his life (even though it was a risk with an almost certain foregone conclusion).
My take on Lily is that she outright traded her life for Harry's. I could see that making a big difference magically.
Dagonee
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Slightly creepier question - Crabbe and Goyle both appear when Voldemort is reborn at the end of GoF.
Are these the same Crabbe and Goyle who serve as Malfoy's henchmen?
If so, just what are they? It seems unlikely they could have been Death Eaters at the time of Voldemort's rampage and still pass as gradeschool children.
As for the James/Lily question - I think there are two seperate deaths here. James died flinging himself at Voldemort, independently of Lily who actively sacrificed herself to the Death Magic leveled at Harry.
As I understand the sequence of events, Voldemort kills James while James is trying to buy time for Lily and Harry to flee. Voldemort then targets Harry when Lily "sacrifices herself" - since she appears at the end of GoF along with the other ghosts of people slain by Voldemort's wand, we know Voldemort's wand was the instrument of her death, intentional or not.
-Trevor
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
The Crabbe and Goyle that appear in the Goblet of Fire are Malfoy's friend's fathers.
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Unrelated comment: There's a question on her website about why Dumbledore says "Remember my last" to Petunia, and here's what she said:
quote: Dumbledore is referring to his last letter, which means, of course, the letter he left upon the Dursley's doorstep when Harry was one year old. But why then (you may well ask) did he not just say 'remember my letter?' Why did he say my last letter? Why obviously because there were letters before that...
*intrigued*
Jen
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Not necessarily - it is entirely possible Dumbledore simply used an imprecise phrasing.
However, since Petunia grew up with Lily, it is entirely possible that Dumbledore was counting the other letters sent to the "?" Household as previous correspondence.
We also know that Dumbledore had ulterior motives for placing the boy with the Dursleys, beyond wanting to keep him safe from the massive attention he would receive upon re-entering the Wizard world.
-Trevor
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I can't imagine, for something as important as that statement, that J.K> Rowling didn't pick her words very carefully.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I assumed he'd been in contact w/ Petunia throughout Harry's residence with the Dursleys.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Ahhhh
I'm looking forward to 2005... it sounds like there'll probably be the new Harry Potter book, and a new Outlander book by Diana Gabaldon, and A Feast for Crows... (they probably won't be out until summer at least, but I'm guessing that all 3 will be out sometime next year!)
Posted by Ginol_Enam (Member # 7070) on :
quote:The release date for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (HBP) has not yet been announced, but Veritaserum's speculation is summer 2006. All of the Harry Potter books have been released in the summer, and this trend is not likely to change. At an August 15, 2004 Book Festival in Edinburgh, Rowling stated that she is "just over halfway through" writing the book. On November 11, 2002, Rowling announced that she was finished writing the fifth book, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. However, the book was not released for more than seven months after this announcement. The process of writing the Half-Blood Prince started more than a year ago, and while writing the second half of the book will most likely go faster than the first half, it would be a huge push to have the book ready for release by summer 2005.
So, an '05 release is unlikely... We can always hope, though ^_^
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
quote:But she did answer. Put in the form of a syllogism; Tom Riddle is Voldemort, Voldemort is not the Half-Blood Prince, Therefore, Tom Riddle is not the Half-Blood Prince.
That's jumping to conclusions right here Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
The half-blood prince is Dudley Dursley.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Scott R! Noooooooooooo! Posted by babager (Member # 6700) on :
Dudley?? He's pure muggle....... unless.....petunia is a witch and has rejected her witchness....hmmmm Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
From what is implied in the books, Lily Potter's family is familiar with witchcraft-- remember, Petunia reports that her parents were pleased that Lily got accepted into Hogwarts. (I could be misremembering. They may have just been pleased that she had access to magic)
If that's so, then maybe Lily's family is old wizarding blood (where are Harry's grandfolks, anyway. . .); and Petunia is (as far as we know) a Squib; and Dudley is a half-blood.
Maybe.
:shrug:
Can't wait for the book to come out though!
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Harry is a part blood. Dumbledore says so in OotP. So either Lily or James has to be muggleborn. This is why we really need to know about James' parents. The only time they're mentioned, that I can think of, is when Sirius says he stayed with the Potters after he ran away from home.
However, I don't think Lily's parents being pleased means much. I mean, if she were wizardborn, it would be pretty much assumed. In Neville's case they weren't sure if he was a squib, but Lily doesn't sound nearly as inept, and I think if she had grown up in a wizarding family there wouldn't be any question she was going to Hogwarts. On the other hand, Hermione's parents were very pleased she got in the Hogwarts, which I think makes more sense.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
This is from J.K. Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival (link):
quote:Is Aunt Petunia a Squib?
Good question. No, she is not, but—[Laughter]. No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—[Laughter]. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.
So I guess she isn't a squb.
EDIT - To add link
[ November 29, 2004, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: solo ]
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
My money is on Hagrid or Snape as the half blood prince.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Also from that same interview:
quote:I thought that I would give you something though, rather than get to the end of today and think that I have not given you a lot. There are two questions that I have never been asked but that I should have been asked, if you know what I mean. If you want to speculate on anything, you should speculate on these two things, which will point you in the right direction. The first question that I have never been asked—it has probably been asked in a chatroom but no one has ever asked me—is, “Why didn’t Voldemort die?” Not, “Why did Harry live?” but, “Why didn’t Voldemort die?” The killing curse rebounded, so he should have died. Why didn’t he? At the end of Goblet of Fire he says that one or more of the steps that he took enabled him to survive. You should be wondering what he did to make sure that he did not die—I will put it that way. I don’t think that it is guessable. It may be—someone could guess it—but you should be asking yourself that question, particularly now that you know about the prophesy. I’d better stop there or I will really incriminate myself. The other question that I am surprised no one has asked me since Phoenix came out—I thought that people would—is why Dumbledore did not kill or try to kill Voldemort in the scene in the ministry. I know that I am giving a lot away to people who have not read the book. Although Dumbledore gives a kind of reason to Voldemort, it is not the real reason. When I mentioned that question to my husband—I told Neil that I was going to mention it to you—he said that it was because Dumbledore knows that there are two more books to come. As you can see, we are on the same literary wavelength. [Laughter]. That is not the answer; Dumbledore knows something slightly more profound than that. If you want to wonder about anything, I would advise you to concentrate on those two questions. That might take you a little bit further.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
It's not Dudley either:
quote:Is there more to Dudley than meets the eye?
No. [Laughter]. What you see is what you get. I am happy to say that he is definitely a character without much back story. He is just Dudley. The next book, Half Blood Prince, is the least that you see of the Dursleys. You see them quite briefly. You see them a bit more in the final book, but you don’t get a lot of Dudley in book six—very few lines. I am sorry if there are Dudley fans out there, but I think you need to look at your priorities if it is Dudley that you are looking forward to. [Laughter].
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I still think Slitherin is the half-blood prince.
Either human/serpent or muggle/wizard (which would be nice and ironic). The big hint is that she said she almost disclosed this in book 2.
Just a guess, though.
Dagonee
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Based on this question and response I think that Voldemort has a Half-Blood child who is the prince:
quote:Has Voldemort or Tom Riddle ever cared for or loved anyone?
Now, that’s a cracking question to end with—very good. No, never. [Laughter.] If he had, he couldn’t possibly be what he is. You will find out a lot more about that. It is a good question, because it leads us rather neatly to Half Blood Prince, although I repeat for the millionth time that Voldemort is not the half blood prince, which is what a lot of people thought. He is definitely, definitely not.
That or it's Prince William comes to Hogwarts and we find out that Diana was a witch.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Voldemort has a son?
"Seamus...I am your father!"
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
JKR also said that both she and Dumbledore distinguished between letters sent to Vernon-and-Petunia and letters merely sent to Petunia.
Jen
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote: Voldemort has a son?
"Seamus...I am your father!"
I think it was ketchupqueen who didn't like the casting of Cedric. I agree. I was surprised.
I am aching to know Aunt Petunia's history, there are so many possibilities and questions. How much does she know about the wizarding world and how come she rememebers details she claims she could clearly like to forget? How many letters has she recieved from Dumbledore- could she have been/be a secret keeper for someone?
Why does she agree to do this? What's in it for her?
One thing that bugs me about inter-wizarding and muggle marriages is how and where do they meet? As far as we've seen, except for those of muggle parents, the wizarding world keeps largely to itself- many people don't even know about things like electricity, how can get have a relationship with a muggle?
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Well, Ron's said early on that if wizards hadn't married muggles, they all would have died out. And the only 100% wizarding villiage in England is Hogsmeade. Or we can have situations like Riddle's mother who seemed to have rejected her witchness and lived among muggles. So it makes sense that wizards have to interact with muggles at some point in their lives.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Hm. I know you're right. I guess in the world we see in the books the interaction is never important so we never see it.
Posted by FriendlyNeighborhoodWitch (Member # 6317) on :
Hey, Book. In this movie based on the computer game, Alice is the serial killer. Take a look. Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
re: the long quote from a few posts back... Here's a random suggestion that you should take with a grain of salt because it's been years since I've read the books (I read each when they came out, and only a few have been re-read in that time).
Maybe Dumbledore didn't kill Voldemort because part of Vold's protection was to halt the kill spell and create a reflect around himself. If he dies, the kill will reflect back _again_ to Harry. If Dumbledore kills Vold, he wouldn't have the strength to protect Harry and Harry's not strong enough to protect himself. But if Harry ends up killing Voldemort, then Dumbledore can throw a protect around Harry with all his strength.
Shrug. That's my random thought.
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
Oh.
My.
Gosh.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Well, Dumbledore knows about the prophecy, doesn't he? So he knows that he can't kill Voldemort, only Harry can. So trying to kill Voldemort would probably just end up with Dumbledore dying and Dumbledore couldn't die yet, because he really needed to train Harry.
Oh, I can't wait for the next book!
[ November 29, 2004, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: blacwolve ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
It's still possible that even though Harry and Voldy are linked Neville is the one who is going to have to kill Voldy, not Harry.
AJ
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I don't know...I thought it became pretty clear in the OoP that while Neville had once had the possibility of being the child of the prophesy, that wasn't true any longer.
Posted by Ginol_Enam (Member # 7070) on :
Through Dumbledore's iterpretation. He could be wrong; he has before. While I do think that Harry is the prophesy child, and thus will either kill or be killed be Voldemort, I also think that Neville will have a significant part to play.
It just seems that he's gotten a lot of book space given to him and his backstory to just become "the kid that could have been the hero."
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
No, Voldemort doesn't know the whole prophecy. That's what OotP was about. He only knows that "the one with the power to defeat the dark lord will be born as the seventh month ends" or something like that; he doesn't know "for either must die at the hands of the other for neither can live while the other survives" or whatever.
And yes, those quotes were from memory.
Does anyone else think Harry goes all noble-sacrifice-like and winds up killing Voldemort but dying as well? I kind of like that scenario.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
*gasps*
All that insistence on Petunia not being a squib . . . she's a witch. She has to be.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
I wonder who will get the Defense Against the Dark Arts Job! It may be that Dumbledore will need to start teaching it himself, taking up the head of the DA himself!
It is time for Ron and Hermoine to get the kissing started! I would also have Harry finally hook up with Ginny!
I have to think that Hagrid may be the Half Blood Prince, but wouldn't it be cool if it was William or Harry! Just a thought.
Any Speculation on the Tattoos all over Sirius Black in the movie? Could it be rune magic like the Pytran's in the Death Gate Cycle have? If so might we hear more about it in the next book as Harry seeks an edge to fight Voldemo... er He who must not be named. Hermoine has taken ancient runes and arithemancy and can do the protean charm, maybe she will tatt Harry up!
BC
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Carrie- That was a typo, sorry! I'm fixing it now.
[ November 29, 2004, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: blacwolve ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
But JK Rowling says she's a muggle. Maybe she's a part blood or something?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Yup, Blacwolve, that makes more sense now
Please don't get me started on the sheer evils of any relationship other than sibling between Harry and Ginny. ICK! Anyone else (except Ron) would be better. Even McGonagall would be better than Ginny.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Wow, Carrie. Why so adverse?
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
BC, I think it's really, *really* unlikely that we'll see a resolution or progression to Ron and Hermione's relationship until the end of the 7th book. It's too important to their relationship with Harry that they squabble and have their tension.
Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
The prophesy didn't really make sense to me...I remember Dumbledore said something that Voldemort only heard the beginning of the prophesy, about a boy who is born on the end of July. So that's why he went to kill Harry...But he didn't hear the part about "the powers the dark lord knows not" hence the part about the dark lord knows not...But if this were true, what would prompt Voldemort to kill Harry if all he heard was that a boy would be born in the end of July? And if he did hear the part about how Harry was the only one who could kill Voldemort, then what power does Harry possess that the Dark Lord doesn't know about? Am I forgetting something? Edit for typos
[ November 29, 2004, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: JaimeBenlevy ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
The prophecy says that the one with the power to defeat the dark lord will be born to parents who have thrice defied him as the 7th month wanes. Or something close to that. So he got that the kid would be a threat, he just didn't know how.
Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
What part did he miss then? I think I remember something about how he only heard the beginning but missed the end...
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
'The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal' or some such.
What is wrong with Ginny? I think she is getting kind of cute! I think that the chasing other boys thing is just what Hermoine told her to do to get her confidence up to catch Harry.
Which one of the trio will become an Animagus? I bet it will be Ron, Hermoine is too obvious, an dI think JK has said Harry will not be.
BC
Posted by JaimeBenlevy (Member # 6222) on :
But how does that give him the power the Dark Lord knows not? There should be a part that Voldemort didn't hear about that states a power that Harry has...But Voldemort also must have heard something that deemed Harry to be a threat which is why Voldemort went to kill him...I always knew there had to be some hole in the Harry Potter books...
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
Love is the power he knows not. But also perhaps some weakness he aquired when he used Harry's blood to bring himself back.
BC
Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
Sorry, but Harry and Ginny is just not right or at least I can't see it happening.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Now Harry and LUNA on the other hand... Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I don't like Luna! I think I'm the only one in the world. *mutters*
Jaime- Why don't you go, get the book, and read that chapter, and then come back and discuss it. It won't take that long.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Don't worry, I'm not especially fond of Luna myself, but I can see she and Harry getting to be a lot closer as time goes on...they have a lot of things pushing them together, even if it's just a close friendship.
Posted by Uhleeuh (Member # 6803) on :
You're not alone in your dislike for Luna. I couldn't stand her and spent a good portion of time telling my mom that (we were reading side by side but with our own copies of the book).
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
I like Luna!
If she was just flakey, I'd find her annoying... but she's capable of a lot of empathy, and she shows more moral fiber than most Hogwarts students, who're usually quick to believe anything bad about Harry.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
Never liked her except that she is ga-ga over Ron, and she is his neighbor, meaning that she builds his confidence and she can pop over and see him all summer and make Hermoine crazy!
She is one of his nine that fought in the Hall, so she has a certain inner circle status.
BC
Posted by Demosthenes_08 (Member # 7058) on :
i'm a big fan of books to movies but i guess the only reason i've turned into a book to movie loving dude is because virtually all the movies are based on books now a days...oh well. i'm gonna go check out all the sites you people posted about the harry potter book/movies so thanks for that information.
Posted by Demosthenes_08 (Member # 7058) on :
i think that filch is mrs. figg on some crazy random note...for one thing, they both have a slightly obsessive attraction to cats or just a cat. also, they're both squibs. i think that something was said about filch smelling like cabbage but i'm probably wrong but mrs. figg's house smells like cabbage...
that's just somethin to get a discussion going..hahaa
Posted by Tater (Member # 7035) on :
Ahhh, I can't keep up with all this. I just like to read the books. Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I liked Luna a lot more the second time I read the book. I think what bugged me the most was that right after it came out everyone was going all, "I love Luna, because Luna's crazy like me. So I'm special because I'm like Luna, and we're both weird and misunderstood, so there." And I just wanted to point out that Luna didn't just like science fiction when no one else around her does, Luna's pretty much downright crazy.
I just reread the book and she bothered me a lot less. She is a very good person, even though she's weird. I would hope that in the next books she losses some of the eccentricism, which feels forced to me, but keeps the vagueness and the empathy.
10 points to anyone who can make sense of this post.
Posted by Maethoriell (Member # 3805) on :
I can't really believe that Filch is Mrs. Figg because Mrs. Figg seemed nice and she's a woman and Filch is a grumpy old man.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Hey, Mae, good to see you again! How have things been going? What ever happened with your mother's job situation?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Well, as far as Harry and Luna:
Keep in mind that James and Lily fell for one another, even though they were diametrically opposed at one point.
Now that I think on it, didn't Snape call Lily a mudblood when she was defending him from James? So her parents, at least, weren't wizardly.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I know it won't happen, but I want Snape to be happy at the end. More probably he'll be killed trying to protect one of the trio. EDIT to add : How could Petunia be a witch ? Her parents were muggles, that's sure, and sincerely, since the tirade in the beginning of the fisrt book, when Harry discovers he's a wizard and Petunia tells about her sister... Very convincing, hum ?
[ November 30, 2004, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I think that Dumbledore didn't kill (or try to kill) Voldemort because his life is far more linked to Harry's than we know. JKR syas that we should be asking why V didn't die, and I believe that he somehow linked his life essence to Harry's so that he became sort of a leach on Harry's life force. He isn't just trying to kill Harry because he wants him dead, but because Harry is now a weakness of his own, and only by killing him himslef can he take all of the life force back and become invulerable again.
Dumbledore knows this and refrains from killing V because he knows that truth....
That when V dies, so does Harry.
Unless Harry finds this out adn kills V himself....or he tells someone else to do it while he holds V in check, sacrificing himself to end it all for good. Kwea
[ November 30, 2004, 08:23 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
You know, I really can't imagine Harry deliberately sacrificing himself. I don't think he'll survive through the books, but I think it'll be because he and Voldemort kill each other, not because he sacrifices himself in order to get Voldemort. He just seems much too in love with life to suicide, even in such a noble fashion.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Yep, I agree with that.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
blac, it seems to me that Harry has consistantly sacrificed himself in every book if it meant saving others' lives. In the Chamber of Secrets he would have been dead if it hadn't been for Fawkes, for example. In every book he deliberately places himself in harms way, usually to save someone, sometimes simply because he's a big fat target. So I can totally see him dying at the end of the series if it meant the end of Voldemort. Personally, I think he's going to die at the end of the series and that the aftermath will result in peace for the magical world.
Anna, I think Snape *is* going to be happy at the end, and that he'll prove out to be the biggest hero of the series in terms of glory in the wizard's world. He'll still be his sour self, but people will finally understand him and he will be accepted at a level he's never been accepted before. In other words...the wizarding world will see in him what Dumbledore does.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Oh Jeni, I would so love that to happen. The Snape part, I mean. Strangely, I feel attached to him.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I don't think Harry dies in the end. Don't know why, though.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Someone at mugglenet.com told that Ron would die and that would give Harry the kick to kill Voldemort. He had some pretty good clues to say that. If you want to read it : go for it.
I don't know if Harry will die or not, but I bet he will kill someone on book six. He actually used the Endoloris charm on book 5, it's just a step further I think...
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Is Endoloris the French version of the crucio curse (the one that causes pain)?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Woops. yes. I read the 4th one in French, the others in English, and now I'm all upside-down with the languages. So much differences !
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Why would anyone WANT spoilers?
I hated knowing that someone was going to kick the bucket in OotP. I want things to jump out at me.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Spoilers and guess are different. I like to anticipate without really knowing.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Ooops-- wrong thread.
[ November 30, 2004, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: Scott R ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
jeni- I didn't mean that harry doesn't sacrifice, but I don't think he would sacrifice with no hope of living. When he went into the Chamber of Secrets his goal was to live, because only if he lived could he get Ginny out. He always, always keeps fighting for his life, even though he deliberately puts it in danger. I don't think that's the same as telling someone to kill him, because that will kill Voldemort. There's a huge difference between putting yourself in danger and hoping to live, and putting yourself in danger with the knowledge that there is no way you will survive.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I think it's essential to Harry's character that he is willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of others, even to the point of saying, "Okay Ron, take that sword over there and run me through. It's clear that's the only way we're going to get rid of Voldemort." It's just something he is. It's part of what Lily gave him in dying herself...the willingness to take death if that's what it took for others to live. None of which is to say that he doesn't love life, and that he would like to live to a ripe old age. It's the mentality of an Auror -- willingness to make the ultimate sacrifice if that's what it takes to protect others.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
It doesn't count as sacrifice if you ask your best bud to do it.
Luna was in the last book? I only read it once, which explains why I don't recall the name.
I like Snape, but I don't want him to be particularly happy if only because his unhappiness is mostly self-inflicted and circumstances should not encourage or support his self-centered worldview.
-Trevor
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
*surprised* How is it not a sacrifice? I should think it would be a sacrifice for *both* parties in that case.
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
Sacrifice is when you do it to yourself - when you ask your friend to do it, you place one heck of a burden on him.
And at the end of the day, he's the one who has to live with the fact he impaled you on a sword.
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