I just received this e-mail from my resident advisor here at school. This is a scary, scary twist on the date rape drug. Have any of you heard about this??
quote: >A woman at a nightclub (Mumbai) on Saturday night was taken by 5 men,
> >who according to hospital and police reports, gang raped her before > >dumping her at Bandstand Mumbai. Unable to remember the events of the > >evening, tests later confirmed the repeatrapes along with traces of > >Rohypnol in her blood. Progesterex is essentially a small > >sterilization pill. The drug is now being used by rapists at parties > >to rape > >AND sterilize their victims. > >Progesterex is available to vets to sterilize large animals. Rumour > >has it that the Progesterex is being used together with Rohypnol,the > >date rape drug. As with Rohypnol, all they have to do is drop it into > >the girl's drink. The girl can't remember a thing the next morning, > >of all that had transpired the night before. Progesterex, which > >dissolves in drinks just as easily, is such that the victim doesn't > >conceive from the rape and the rapist needn't worry about having a > >paternity test identifying him months later. > >The drug's effects ARE NOT TEMPORARY - they are P*E*R*M*A*N*E*N*T!!! > >Progesterex was designed to sterilize horses. Any female who takes it > >WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO > >CONCEIVE. The weasels can get this drug from anyone who is in the vet > >school or any university. It's that easy, and Progesterex is about > >to break out big on campuses > >everywhere. > >Believe it or not, there is even sites on the Internet telling people > >how to use it. Please forward this to everyone you know, especially > >girls. Be Careful when you're out and DON'T leave your drinks > >unattended. Please make the effort to forward this. > > > >Langston R. Farrow
Long defeated sigh. I so want to believe people are naturally good. I see so much violence to the contrary.
Is castration of gang-rapers who use this drug cruel and unusual punishment?
I am glad that it is a hoax...but date rape drugs aren't. I am sure if it ever existed, those who rape would have no qualms to use it.
[ April 06, 2004, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Alexa ]
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
phew! That was scary! Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Ohh Phewness. <--
Hobbes Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Well it's nice that it's a hoax and I'll have some links to make us all feel better should I receive this email. That is a scary thought though...
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
God... EDIT : about the rape-dating drug, which unfortunately exists.
[ April 06, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I'm all for castration as an option for punishing rapists. Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
Aren't the drawbacks of castration similar to the drawbacks of capital punishment? Doing permanent, irreversible harm to someone who you may later find to be innocent?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Yes, I have thought of that, Geoff. I would certainly not suggest every rapist be castrated. I am thinking of situations where a strong case has been made that therapy has been tried to no avail and this person will keep raping after their prison term is done. It would be a punishment "option".
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
In that case, his prison term should never be done. Simple solution...
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I dunno, I think there should still be some prison time, just not as much.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I meant as a way to ensure he never rapes again.
If there is truly a finding of very likely recidivism, and we can't find treatments that work, then life imprisonment seems justified. And is reversible in a limited sense.
Dagonee
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
We've discussed this so many times before. Why does one believe that removing the testicles will remove the will to rape? One does not need a penis to rape. Foreign objects do just as well. In fact, I don't mean to be graphic but I have a friend who was raped and suffered irreversible damage due to the handgun that was used for penetration. Yes, it was loaded.
AJ
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Another reason for having longer sentences. In the mid-90s, there was a movement by prosecutors to commit sex offenders to psychiatric hospitals at the end of their sentence as presenting a danger to the community. I had two immediate reactions: 1) This is an abusive use of the involuntary commitment power; and 2) Why weren't they sentenced to longer terms if they were still a danger to others.
Dagonee
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
It's too bad they don't actually have that drug.
For couples like my wife and I, such a drug would have been a quick and easy way to avoid a lot of hassle. I think most people who are not having children would rather use a one time drug than have surgery or use risky birth control methods with limited effectiveness.
But yes, date rape is bad.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
It is so sad to learn about the gross evil that exists in the world.
Perhaps removing the hands too would help? j/k!!
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
*phew*
Okay, my advisor definitely should check this stuff out, this email went out to my entire floor. There's going to be lots of people that think it's real.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
I don't know - one time drugs sound like they'd have to have serious side effects to be able to cause such a systemic change.
Dagonee
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
*thinks about poor Josif from Songmaster*
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Yeah, but Josif was gay, so he had it coming.
Posted by Alexa (Member # 6285) on :
I suggested it more as a punitive measure to vent frustration, not to modify behavior. I was venting not suggesting application. I have no false pretenses that it would help anyone--beyond scaring away future rapers. I could see it abused by women who want to get back at ex's tho. I am reminded of a case I heard on the radio of two teen girls who accused a homeless man of sexual assault to cover their tracks for skipping school. He actually served jail time.
Of course I would never vote for castration.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
BannaOJ, why discount a reasonable option based on a worst case scenario? Well, I guess handgun object rape isn't the worst case scenario, but how common is object rape in castrated men? You know someone it happened to so you see it everywhere. But as is always pointed out when I cite an anecdote, it does not equal data.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Such a drug would be wonderful for pets! Imagine, you don't have to get your cat spayed to help avoid unwanted kittens. Just give her an injection of Progesterex and be done with it!
I wanted to get a sterile female companion for my male guinea pig, but spaying is dangerous for guinea pigs. I sure wish I had myself a dose of Progesterex....
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
So... what do we do with female rapists? Stitch them shut?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Pooka this actually stems from the other thread, and countless previous threads we have had. Rape is mostly about dominance and power, not about sex. If I thought that castration would actually cure a human of that drive for dominance and power, then sure I would be all for it.
However as anyone with a dog knows, the reason why you neuter dogs them at an early age is so that they don't develop dominance habits. Once they have developed those bad habits, neutering them isn't going to do a lick of good. If a male is past puberty, castration won't do much for behavioral modification.
AJ
(In fact you will still see dogs, both male and female, that were neutered or spayed at young ages attempting to hump each other. It is totally a dominance thing)
[ April 06, 2004, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
omg, we're not having this debate again?!
Tonight I'll have to look for my old links.
Hey, I'm all for cruel and unusual punishment. But if you let a rapist out early because of this, then you're really doing justice and crime prevention a disservice.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
quote: The drug's effects ARE NOT TEMPORARY - they are P*E*R*M*A*N*E*N*T!!!
I was thinking, if this is true than why the heck did I have to go into surgery to be sterilized? I didn't think there was anyway it could be true.
quote: Okay, my advisor definitely should check this stuff out, this email went out to my entire floor.
Not to be a jerk or anything, but your advisor wasn't the only one that showed this to a whole lot of people before checking it out.
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