Consider a being. We shall call this being "God." Assume that this being is all-powerful. Can this God create a rock so heavy, that he cannot lift it? Satyagraha
[ March 31, 2004, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: BYuCnslr ]
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Yes.
But he wouldn't ever do it, because the moment he did, the above statement would cease to be true.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Your term all-powerful needs to be refined, clarified.
I'll assume that it means "everything that can be done, he can do it".
In that case, maybe. If anybody can do it, he can.
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
Best quote about God in existence (in my opinion):
quote:"I refuse to prove that I exist," said God, "because proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing."
Douglas Adams, The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Hmm, a classic question.
I'll start off by saying that I don't believe in such a God, so my answer should, in no way, be taken as an explenation of that position, it's just a thought I had about it.
Let's take a God who is, by the strictest defenition, omnipotent. Should He say that 2+2 = 5 it would be true because He is more powerful than logic. He has control over all things including logic, and thus a statment like "A cicle has 4, equal sides" becomes true about something that looks to us, like a typical circle.
This being can create such a rock and lift it without any contradiction at all. Logic simply does not apply as He is superior to its rules.
Hobbes
[ March 31, 2004, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: Hobbes ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I think you mean omnipotent, not omniscent.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Indeed I do.
*Runs off to edit*
Hobbes Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
You've been listening to old George Carlin albums, haven't you?
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
*agrees with Hobbes*
After all, why do we consider logic to be the ultimate authority on everything?
Posted by T. Analog Kid (Member # 381) on :
quote: nonsense is still nonsense, even when we talk it about God
-- C.S. Lewis addressing the idea that logical impossibility can be used to deny omnipotence
Posted by BYuCnslr (Member # 1857) on :
Second question: Consider a being. A being yet again by the name of "God." Being omnicient, omnipotent, omnipresent, "God" is perfect in every way.
With the fact that "God" is perfect in every way, erso God must be perfectly tasty. What does he taste like?
Satyagraha
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Easiest answer to this question, IMO, is that those who care to know, should either:
1) get a girl (I'm out of luck in this category) 2) get a drink (not my preference) 3) get a life (ah, here we go) 4) in rare cases, get a banana
Life is made more simple when you can solve all the tough philosophical questions by wondering where the next banana comes from. -Terry Pratchett
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Posted by T. Analog Kid (Member # 381) on :
Yellow Curry Chicken at Chow Thai ( a local Thai Resteurant)
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
For the record, God tastes like KFC.
Posted by T. Analog Kid (Member # 381) on :
*wonders if T_Smith has a set of Fairly Odd Primates*
Posted by Jeni (Member # 1454) on :
quote:With the fact that "God" is perfect in every way, erso God must be perfectly tasty. What does he taste like?
The reason Bernard should no longer be allowed into Philosophy classes.
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
<---has a banana in his lunch
Life is good.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Don't most Christians already know what God tastes like? Or at least all Catholics?
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote: being yet again by the name of "God." Being omnicient, omnipotent, omnipresent, "God" is perfect in every way.
Once again, you should probably refine this. By "perfect in every way" I think you mean "perfect in every way it is possible to be perfect."
And it is not possible to be perfectly tasty.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
What if God was laced with LSD?
::dogdes lightning bolts and heads to the temple::
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
How about this... Could God make a klondike bar that was too cold for even He to eat??
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
::hands Abby a banana::
There you go.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Can this God create a rock so heavy, that he cannot lift it?
You're really asking two questions here:
Is there a weight of rock too big for God to create?
Is there a weight of rock too big for God to lift?
The answer to both is no.
Dagonee Edit: Of course, God can create a rock of any size and deny himself the privilege of lifting it.
[ March 31, 2004, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
Posted by BYuCnslr (Member # 1857) on :
quote: This being can create such a rock and lift it without any contradiction at all. Logic simply does not apply as He is superior to its rules.
This is a rather odd thought. And I'm not sure what to think of it, because we were supposidly given our powers of reason in order to use them, and to understand...but then if God is able to go off and defy everything that is logically possible...why give us reason at all? Satyagraha
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
quote:This is a rather odd thought. And I'm not sure what to think of it, because we were supposidly given our powers of reason in order to use them, and to understand...but then if God is able to go off and defy everything that is logically possible...why give us reason at all?
You are missing the point though: If God can defy logic, he doesn't need a reason to give us reason.
In fact, if God is superior to logic then any argument about him whatsoever is irrelevant.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
The illogic is with the question, not the answer. We are given reason to use, yes. But if we misuse it it's hardly an argument against God.
Dagonee
Posted by T. Analog Kid (Member # 381) on :
*sings* bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas, bananas...
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:With the fact that "God" is perfect in every way, erso God must be perfectly tasty.
Then god must also be:
perfectly round perfectly flat perfectly smooth perfectly square perfectly spherical perfectly straight (perfectly gay?) a perfect vacuum
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
quote:Dag:
Is there a weight of rock too big for God to create?
Is there a weight of rock too big for God to lift?
Yeah, there's creation power and there's lifting power, and the two powers aren't necessarily connected.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
Have you seen the floors of heaven? They are spotless. If God isn't a perfect Vacuumer, he comes darn close.
Wouldn't it be easier for God to change the definitions of the words Heavy, Lift, Rock, then to create the rock to heave to lift, and then lift it. That may not make sense, but I get the feeling I'm on to something.
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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
30,000 pounds...
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Sure. Change create to mean think about, and then change lift to mean do nothing.
Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :
... of bananas
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
If God were a banana... would he make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich just to hit it with a baseball bat?
Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :
quote:That may not make sense, but I get the feeling I'm on to something.
Did you mean to leave the word "to" on there?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I think God is logical. But I think that our logic is imperfect because the knowledge it is based on is imperfect and the conclusions we draw are imperfect.
Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my aways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Naw, God prefers simple solutions to physics conundrums. In this case, first He could create a rock so heavy that He can't lift it. Then around that rock, He could create a new Universe in which He can. CosmicEgg->BigBang, anyone?
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