Would anyone be willing to do a thread about LDS beliefs similar to the one that Rivka is doing about Judiasm? I have several questions, and don't know where else I can ask them.
Or, would someone be willing to have a private email/IM correspondence with me on that subject?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
You might do better to ask a priesthood holder's wife. . .
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
I'd be willing to answer any questions you have. Email me at brinestone@hotmail.com or IM me later tonight (Brinestone).
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Back when this topic was started, I was interested in taking up the role of Mormon Answer-Man, since that is something I have done before on other internet forums. However, since I was/am new here, and there are a lot of oldtimers here who are well-qualified, I didn't want to put myself forward.
Well, now that Rivka's thread is going strong again, and since none of my fellow Mormons jumped at the chance presented (except for Brinestone via e-mail), I am going to go for it.
So I know that those who have participated here for a long time have picked up a lot of good info about Mormonism already. Still, everybody can't know everything, can they? If anybody has any questions, I'll answer them here. And other Mormons, I'm sure, will feel free to put in their two cents as well.
Posted by Not a Danite (Member # 6185) on :
Just watch what you say, Bub.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Rivka's thread was, I think, inspired by Hobbes Mormon questions thread. Now, where is that... *rummages through Hatrack*
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Actually, I think I saw that one quite a while ago. But sometimes it's nice to start afresh, isn't it?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Oh, sure. That'd be fun. Go for it.
There was just an awful lot covered in that thread, and if any questions are the same, it would be awfully convenient. *still searching*
[ February 10, 2004, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
change the thread title to "Ask the Visiting Teacher" and we might have somewhere to start. I imagine your first question might be: What is a visiting teacher?
Edit: my point is, the other thread is "ask the [Rabbi's wife]". If it were "Ask the Rabbi" the content would be expected to be either authoritative or sarcastic in nature.
[ February 10, 2004, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Change the thread title to "Ask the Seminary Teacher" and you'll get all the misinformation you want.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Also, Ask the Education Week participant. Or is that the same as a seminary teacher?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Why priesthood holder rather than priest?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Actually, kat, my thread was inspired by getting very similar questions from two different people (one via IM and one via email) a few days apart. It just seemed more efficient. Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
quote:Why priesthood holder rather than priest?
Good question! I think the reason we don't use the terminology of priest (though it is the name of a certain level of the priesthood in LDS doctrine) is because in most churches the term is associated with specific preaching duties and is a specific leadership office. All worthy men in the LDS church can hold the priesthood, wheter or not they have a calling that puts them in a leadership position.
What we refer to as the priesthood is what we believe to be the authority to act in God's name, not a specific position in the church.
Though I'm not the most knowledgeable one in these parts about the specifics of the priesthood. Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Also, "priest" is just one of several offices of the priesthood, including deacon, teacher, and elder.
Edit: Jon Boy can't read. Annie pretty much already said that.
[ February 10, 2004, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Jon Boy ]
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
Do Mormon's have horns? If not, then why not?
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Silly Trogdor. Jews have the horn monopoly.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Just look at Statues of Moses. He's got 'em. And I'm pretty sure he was a Jew.
Then again, Mormons think he was one of them too...hmm
*ponders*
Maybe Jews AND Mormons have horns...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
ONE painting. It's one bloody painting!
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
The problem with the old Mormon thread is that everytime I have a question I think about searching through that thread for the answer and get very very tired. But I know I can't ask anyone about it because they'll just direct me to that thread. The end result being that my question is never answered.
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
Can they burninate people?
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
Alright....here's another...
You're about ready to get the sacrament tray, but you watch the toddler in front of you sneeze on the whole water tray. Do you partake anyway?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
blacwolve, I wouldn't care if you asked the same questions, even if they've been asked a hundred times already.
Trogdor: Toddlers are under the age of accountability, so if you get sick, they're not guilty. Also, the water has been blessed. If that's not good enough for you, then you've got bigger problems.
Posted by Ronin (Member # 1749) on :
do mormons still sacrifice black people?
Ive actually heard that before...
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
quote:Can they burninate people?
Only sacrificial offerings, or a member who screwed up jello salad.
Hobbes Posted by GradStudent (Member # 5088) on :
Was that a joke, or do Mormons really think Moses was a Mormon?
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
You're a mormon too. You just don't know it yet.
Posted by GradStudent (Member # 5088) on :
I might have been. If the missionaries hadn't stood me up FOUR times.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
quote:ONE painting. It's one bloody painting!
It's not a painting, it's a sculpture - I saw it in Rome. Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
They did?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Wow! I've never heard of that. I mean they're often late by ridicuols periods of time, but... when they're meeting a new investigator they usually make it on time. That stinks. (((GS)))
As for Moses, Mormons believe he was a prohpeh of the Lord, and part of the true Church of Jesus Christ that is the Mormon church today. So yes he was a "Mormon", but only in the sense that Catholics would believe he was Catholic. Well actually I take that back, it goes a little deeper (he was aware that the Son of God would one day come to earth), but that's the basics of it.
Hobbes Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Of course I'm not a priesthood holder either... so Jon Boy can come in here and kick my spirtual butt out.
Hobbes Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Stood you up for a teaching appointment or stood you up for drinks and a movie?
edit: When I was in charge of setting up meals for the missionaries (oops, almost called them elders) a pair actually stood up this old couple who had fixed them an extra special dinner even though we told them not to go to any extra trouble.
I've actually heard a joke about women getting to hold the priesthood when they hug them. :hands Jon Boy a tissue in advance for his bleeding ears:
[ February 11, 2004, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
By the way, I saw Trogdor the Burninator scrawled on a chalboard at my daughter's school. He's covering the whole Earth!
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
No, but he may be Burninating The Countryside.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I yield! A quick search shows that there's the painting I was referring to, AND the statue mentioned, AND a bunch more.
I wuz wrong! So very, very wrong!
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
It was actually in the Catholic bible (Latin Vulgate), that when he came back from Mt. Sinai (watch me have gotten that wrong) he had horns growing out from his head. It was supposed to say he had a halo glowing out from his head. At least, that's the story I as I remember it from College Humanities.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
The mistranslation was of "beams of light from his skin" -- that is, his face glowed.
No horns, no halo.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
The problem being that the Hebrew phrase is "keren or" meaning "ray of light" (it's in the plural in Hebrew, but I am transliterating in the singular for simplicity's sake). The Hebrew word "keren" can be either a ray (as in a ray of light), or a horn (as in a ram's horn). Hence the confusion.
Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :
The wonderfully ironic thing about the Catholic church is that they universally burninated everyone and did not discriminate on the basis of color, sex, or religion. In a wonderfully sublime display of humanity, they tended on the extremes of either killing or converting.
I have never heard of LDS burning anyone though!
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Is it true that Mormon missionaries kidnap your daughters and hold them captive in the Salt Lake Temple and the only way for them to escape is to jump out the window into the Great Salt Lake?
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
I have a question. In the LDS religion, if I'm not LDS what happens to me after I die?
Posted by Liquor and Fireworks (Member # 5785) on :
You would have a chance to be taught the gospel and choose whether or not to accept it.
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
AFR - Boy that would be some jump! Especially considering the SLC Temple is nowhere near the Great Salt Lake if you're measuring in jumps.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I'm about to take this thread and make it serious.
After death, all souls pass a preliminary judgment. Those who have lived the best they could according to their knowledge will go to a place of rest.
Those who have sinned (willingly rebelled against something they knew was right) will go to a place of. . . well, stricture.
It is important to remember that in Mormon theology, your basic personality does not undergo a massive transformation at death. If you are greedy in this life, you will have a tendency to be greedy in the next, for example.
This place of rest or stricture is not the final destination. It is a place for those who've never heard of the Gospel to learn it and either choose to accept or reject it.
All souls in this place view it as a prison because they are without their bodies. In Mormon theology, a spirit without a physical body is incomplete-- and in a sense powerless.
At an undetermined time, souls will go through a final judgment, when everyone, good or bad, will receive a body. This will be a perfected body-- no dying or sickness.
Mormons do not believe in the classic vision of Hell. After receiving a perfected body, souls will be placed according to their willingness to follow the commandments, in one of three 'kingdoms.' Each successive kingdom is marked by it's nearness to God. None are places of torment.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
quote:Each successive kingdom is marked by it's nearness to God. None are places of torment.
Yeah, but I bet the A/C is colder on the higher levels.
And if none of these levels are places of torment, where do they put the banjo and accordian players? In soundproof plastic bubbles?
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
Great. I kept checking this thread last night until the last possible moment, and there was no action. Now I log on first thing in the morning, and everyone has gone on without me. No fair!
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
serious scott. Alucard... just Do you really want to bring up the mountain meadows massacre?
quote: None are places of torment.
Apparently the Hatrack freeze out didn't affect you the way it did me.
[ February 11, 2004, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
No way, KarlEd! Have you looked at a map of Utah lately? Salt Lake City is right smack dab on the lake! They could do it if they had strong legs. And they wouldn't even sink, because the brine shrimp would keep them afloat. Of course they'd all have wedding gowns on by the time they got anywhere near the window, and that would make it harder. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Yes, but the hoop skirts we make them wear would act as semi- parachutes. A strong wind and a four story leap should carry them the five miles.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Look up at any given moment in SLC and you'll see young ladies in hoop skirts flying toward the lake, with young Elders running after them. On one humorous occasion during the Days of '47 parade, some girl's hoop skirt broke and she landed on the Conestoga wagon that was leading the Brigham Young Marching Band. Sure made the oxen snort.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Days of '47 = Pioneer day, for you out of state Saints.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Pioneer Day = July 24, the biggest summer holiday for Utah and the day in 1847 that Brigham Young first saw the Salt Lake Valley and said, "This is the right place.", for everyone else.
[ February 11, 2004, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Wow, that was the weirdest digression I've ever seen.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I brought treats for pioneer day to my work in Texas once. They didn't get it, but they still ate the poundcake. On a less happy note, when I was working in Utah no one told the field sales force about July 24, so they were trying to get their normal emergencies solved and no one was there.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I'd like to point out that this IS National Jello Week.
In honor, we are having jello salad and chinese food at my housewarming party tomorrow night.
Posted by UofUlawguy (Member # 5492) on :
I would like to mention that I'm glad Katharina knows that Brigham Young saw the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, not 1947.
[ February 11, 2004, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: UofUlawguy ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*laugh* Lawguy, of course I would. There's simply no reason to think otherwise. No reason at all.
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Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
Annie: You like that? You want me to do another one?
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
We are taught also the principle of eternal progression. We are not told very much about what the spirit world is like. But we are told that we continue to try to perfect ourselves throughout the long ages, gradually (it is to be hoped) becoming more and more Christlike.
Humans are literally the spirit children of our Heavenly Father, and we are meant (those of us who make it) to grow up (in a sense) to be like Him.
That's why I picture a lot more happening in the afterlife than we are currently told. We know as much as we need to know for this life. And this life is certainly unique since certain ordinances can only be performed by those alive in this life. But who knows what experiences we will have through the aeons that will allow us to grow into more perfect beings?
One thing that drew me to LDS theology is that concept. Other Christian religions seem to teach that a lot of people from here were ready to go straight to heaven when they died, and live in eternal bliss. I've met a few like that here and there, of those blessed ones, but as for me I know I have a long long way to progress still before I'm really fit for such company. I can't help but feel most people would have to change an awful lot when they die to get much enjoyment out of any concept of heaven that I can formulate.
[ February 11, 2004, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: ak ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:I can't help but feel most people would have to change an awful lot when they die to get much enjoyment out of any concept of heaven that I can formulate.
Amen. Me too.
[ February 11, 2004, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Ah, too fast for me. Have you noticed how rapidly the "forum is moving, of late"?
[ February 11, 2004, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: ak ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
anne kate, I simply don't know what you're talking about. Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Posted by Homestawwunnew (Member # 6201) on :
what happened to this thread? first it's about mormon beliefs, then it's about jumping out of the temple in to the Great Salt Lake, then onto National Jello Day and goes to Days of '47 Parade? WOW, you sure know how to lose someone
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Surely it's not that big a stretch from Mormon beliefs to Jello and parades.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Jeez, Tom, you're on a roll today.
Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
quote:But who knows what experiences we will have through the aeons that will allow us to grow into more perfect beings?
I plan on teaching the "all the things that taste good" and "the importance of texture" classes in the beginning creation series.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
GS, did you ever talk to the missionaries? I mean, seriously, four times? That's crazy. Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
That's fine Zal, if I get to do the "A universe with concrete" series and the "Silcon, more than just sand on the beach" special.
Hobbes Posted by Zalmoxis (Member # 2327) on :
Excellent.
ak can teach the "project planning and management for humanities people" course. I definitely am going to need something like that.
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I've never heard of that. I mean they're often late by ridicuols periods of time, but... when they're meeting a new investigator they usually make it on time. That stinks. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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