In another thread, Theca asked a valid question: If we have a Con in the summer, as the plans are, would we be allowed to call it HatrackCon? Or do we need another name?
[ January 20, 2004, 02:16 AM: Message edited by: Kama ]
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
Try posting this on the other side. I think they pay a bit more attention to the stuff over there.
Posted by Anthro (Member # 6087) on :
Or you might try reporting your post. .. Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Posted by KathrynHJanitor (Member # 48) on :
Lalo very helpfully reported this thread so I could see it. (And Eddie, you were the only one who did it!)
Anyway, I ran the question by Kristine this morning, and here is her response:
quote: They can have get-togethers all they want -- but anything using the Hatrack name needs to be sponsored by us. Sorry.
So -- why don't you make it a contest. Offer a fabulous prize to someone who comes up with the con's name. "Friends of Uncle Orson Con" is my entry, and I can promise you THAT one won't win!
KHK
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
Hmmm... that seems kind of unneccessary, since I'm assuming this would be an informal thing. I mean, is there something wrong with calling "Hatrack Chat" what we do on AIM?
Posted by KathrynHJanitor (Member # 48) on :
If it's THAT informal, I don't guess it matters what you call it. But if it's a formal thing, so that you'll be letting all the Hatrackers know and people will be traveling to it and you'll be speaking and all that, that's where problems come in. There could be copyright control issues and expectations that Scott will be there when he won't, stuff like that. So I guess what the Cards would need to know before saying yes or no is what's involved in this get-together. Exactly how successful do you expect it to be?
KHK
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
I posted this topic to the other side, as Jonny recommended. Here's what Mrs. Card replied:
Wait, you call him Scott around the house? Not Orson? How about Scotty? Or does he sometimes like to be called by his favourite character creations?
/off topic
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Howzabout Jatrequero Con... or Con Jatrequero... or Chili con Jatrequero...
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
Hey.... JatraqueroCon has a ring to it
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Chili con Jatraqueros
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
If you hold it in Florida, you have my permission to call it "JoeCon."
Posted by Julie (Member # 5580) on :
I vote for Chili con Jatraquero. Of course, then people could think they might get to eat actual Jatraqueros in their chili.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I vote for JatraqueroCon. This is going to be in Chicago, right?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
What about instead of Hatrack Con, calling it UmbrellaStand Con?
AJ
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
RiverCon. Combine it with sakeriver (saxon willing), and hold it on the banks of the, er, Hi-O. Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Jatraquon...
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Oh darn, I take it back, I like RiverCon...
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
AJ...I just saw your submission. LOL
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
August in Chicago and you want to call it chili con Jatraquero?
I still like JatraqueroCon.
Posted by Julie (Member # 5580) on :
We could hold it in Alaska then. Definitely not too warm there.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Yeah, right, like I'm going to give my seal of approval for a Con I couldn't possibly attend. Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
KamaCon
(as per Javert's suggestion) Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
Alaska in August? Then we might as well call it Avoid-passing-out-from-mosquito-bite-induced-loss-of-blood Con. Or Avoid Con for short. But no one would come to that one.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
As I said in another thread:
quote: If we have it in Chicago (humidity and REALLY hot) we currently have NO volunteers. But if we have it in Los Angeles (not much humidity, warm but not too hot, no rain in the summer, and lots of BEACHES), we have two volunteers -- saxon and me.
JatraqueroCon in Los Angeles!
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I think there are some implied volunteers, I know I for one am willing to help with arrangements if it is in Chicago, and I think I've made that offer before.
And hot in chicago is relative. If you are coming from anything South of the Mason-dixon line it is definitely cooler by ten or so degrees. I think there was a week when temperatures actually got up to a hundred but not much more.
AJ
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*ponders*
If I push for hereabouts, I'm going to be doing a LOT of work. If it's there, I just need to pay for a ticket and such, and show up . . .
Ok, humidity wins! Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
I wouldn't be able to come to L.A.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I think the best place to have it is somewhere within 100 miles of me. And not for any sort of personal preference at all. i just think that would work best.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Since Umbrella Stand Con is a bit unwieldy how about Coathook Con?
AJ
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
After checking planes and stuff, I know 100% I'll be buying a return flight to New York, or Chicago. Bear that in mind.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
How about Chapeau-standCon?
Posted by Anthro (Member # 6087) on :
Either Milwaukee, Wisconsin, or Atlanta.
Oooh. . .we could head to Greensboro and camp out on OSC's lawn!
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:Since Umbrella Stand Con is a bit unwieldy how about Coathook Con?
Too much like "Tail hook" and we don't want a scandal, now do we???
[ January 19, 2004, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: Bob_Scopatz ]
Posted by Julie (Member # 5580) on :
Yeah! Edit: I was replying to Anthro. [ ]Simultanious Posting[/ ]
[ January 19, 2004, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: Julie ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
If the choice is between NYC and Chicago, I'd actually vote NY.
But it seems that Chicago is the choice of the people . . .
Posted by Julie (Member # 5580) on :
If it's between the two I'd vote for NY, but I don't know that I'd be able to go anyway. Unless it was in Chicago during the weekend of the marathon. My uncle's running in it so I'll be in the area anyway.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Chicago was chosen, cause it was kinda sorta in the middle. Equal opportunities and all.
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
Chicago? Count me in.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
How about RioDeSombreroCon? No, wait, plain ol' SombreroCon is even better! A nice fun theme, merchandising choices become much easier and it gives us a very simple way to recognize one another. Not that I'll be there or anything, but it's fun to think about anyway.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
If it's anywhere farther away from Chicago I won't be able to go.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
No matter what city it's in, there will be lots of people who can't go -- that's a given.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Yea, I know, I just thought I should have a sentence instead of one word, you know, for aesthetic purposes.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
If it's not in Prescott, preferrably across the street from me, I can't go.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Well, let's see. Prescott is closer to me -- it could even be done in a not-TOO-dreadfully-long drive.
But I'm pretty sure Prescott-in-August would make Chicago-in-August look positively chilly.
[ January 19, 2004, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Yes but at least Prescott (I even know that it is supposed to be pronounced Presket and rhymes with Trisciut) is cooler than Phoenix in August!
(I was in both...)
AJ
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
It's not that bad. Usually about 85 or so. It's cooler than LA, that's for sure.
Why don't you call it MicrosoftCon?
[ January 19, 2004, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Da_Goat ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Cooler than L.A.? Really, even after sea breezes are factored in? Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
How about "The Con That Cannot Legally Be Named?"
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Maybe it should have a symbol, like Prince.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
Can you even feel the sea breezes? I've been to LA a few times, and each time I've been there, other than when I actually went to the beach, it just felt like a Phoenix with more graffiti.
Anyway, for the record, I went to Fairbanks in July, 2001, and it got up to 80, at least 75. I don't think you can really escape the heat.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
L.A. is big. But yeah, in my area (about 8 miles from the ocean, I think?), the sea breezes make a big difference in the afternoons.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Boston.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Look, sorry, but it's too late for the peanut gallery to chime in NOW with other locations. Chicago it is, and you'll all have to cope.
[ January 19, 2004, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
I think we should just start up a rival east coast get-together.
Our HatrackCon is gonna be way cooler than your HatrackCon!
[ January 19, 2004, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: Strider ]
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
"There can be only ONE!"
My vote is for ChakaCon
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
Or how about "The Wrath of Con" Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
SOME of us were otherwise occupied. Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
and my last suggestion, ProseNCon
Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
How about Nockcartah, and we all wear mirrors?
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
Wait, how 'bout ProzaCon?
Posted by SirReal (Member # 5257) on :
I like your thinking Ladydove
Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
Prescott would be great! My mom would love for us to have an excuse to stay at her place. She might even be willing to put a couple people up in her house (aside from us, of course).
-Mama
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I'd vote for Boston. I've never been there. I've been to Chicago and LA.
Posted by Ryan Hart (Member # 5513) on :
The Con formerly Known as Hatrack
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
Well, I say it should be in either Philadelphia or Boston. That way we can call it the "City that will never win any sort of sports championship" Con.
*still bitter about the Eagles loss last night*
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
The Patriots are in the Superbowl. Posted by Anthro (Member # 6087) on :
No, really, let's camp out on the Cards' lawn and call it. . .call it. . .the "It's in the Cards"Con and do Tarot readings with OSC characters on the cards!
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
Unforunately, Ryan, it'll have to be
"The Con Formally Known As Sorry We Can't Say"
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
If we hold it within 500 yards of the Cards, I won't be allowed to attend.
But you could all visit me in lockup.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Boston works, it's pretty too.
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
I like Con Jatraqueros... Some interesting t-shirt and nametag possibilities.
Boston is cool
-Bok
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Actually, I agree with Bok. "Con Jatraqueros" is a pretty clever play on words, to anyone with the slightest understanding of Spanish.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
My son says we should call it
Crystal City Convention
(which I like)
Chicago is still the town that works best for me.
Farmgirl
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
And to clarify, I don't necessarily agree on Boston -- in fact, I think it could endanger the attendance of the Midwesterners. I'm fairly ambivalent, myself, on Chicago or Boston -- so long as it's not moved down South or too far east, I'm fine.
Though I'll need to know when this thing's planned for fairly soon. If it'll be in Boston, I'll probably need it to be fairly early in the month if I'm to make it back to California. Though I may not return at all, come to think of it.
But in any case, I need a rough date. And not just the kind with man-arms who enjoys S&M, I'll need to know the date within a week or two of the actual date for any proper planning.
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
I could go to it in Chicago.
Posted by aka (Member # 139) on :
Hotrockcon! A phonetic anglicized spelling of the Spanish pronunciation of Hatrack. Plus it sounds cheezy! <laughs>
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I'm going to meet CT if I have to walk there. Definitely, definitely Chicago?
--Katie
Posted by aka (Member # 139) on :
Chicago is a very cool city! We can go see those Chagall windows while we're there. I like the idea of Chicago.
Posted by aka (Member # 139) on :
Of course I'll probably be out of the country, looking at the lastest uploaded pics each day and dying of jealousy AGAIN! (So I probably don't get a vote, I mean.)
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Oh, and one last addendum. Wherever we hold the thing, we must get the Florida Clump up there. Jose, Cor, Bob (he still counts as Clump) and maybe Jeff (Rakeesh) if he can unlodge his head from his ass. I'll never be able to meet them otherwise.
And yeah, I'd like to meet up with the Jerseys. Though I wouldn't be too heartbroken if there were a way to get only Kira to come...
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Following up on ak's suggestion: BarBQueBriquetteCon
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
I like Chicago. I have never been there, it's a cheap plane ticket there, I want to try their stuffed pizza, visit the Michael Jordan statue and all the places that were in the movie Ferris Bueller's Day Off. And maybe see some museums and stuff. Oh wait, maybe I should schedule some time to see some Hatrackers too...
We should call it RackCon (pronounced "Rock on"). If there's still a problem with the name we can call it RawkCon.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Who cares where we have it as long as this name suggestion thing keeps going on? These are hilarious!!! Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
I liked Johnny's idea, so I'm changing it! How about RaqCon? Or even 'RaqCon, to signify there's more to the name.
Posted by Mama Squirrel (Member # 4155) on :
So, has anyone mentioned specific dates yet?
We are planning a trip to NY in mid-August. We might be able to fit Chicago into the timeline. The end of the second week of August might work for us.
Keep us in the loop!
-Mama
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
We could have it at my house and call it Treadwell Con.
I know...it's not funny, but it'd be cheap!
I'd even let you walk on my lawn.
Posted by Javert (Member # 3076) on :
It's painfully obvious to me that someone needs to win the Powerball jackpot and pay for every jatraquero's plain ticket.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
I'd prefer a fancy ticket if that's okay with everyone else.
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
quote: We are planning a trip to NY in mid-August
Sweet! If the Con doesn't happen there, might the NY-area Jatraqueros be able to meet up with the Squirrel and Moose?
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:Though I wouldn't be too heartbroken if there were a way to get only Kira to come...
Sadly, this will not be the case as she carries me around on a chain wherever she goes. And she has me trained pretty good to attack on command so be careful.
quote:If the Con doesn't happen there, might the NY-area Jatraqueros be able to meet up with the Squirrel and Moose?
I'll answer for them. YES. I'm not passing up a chance to hang out with Pop.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
FYI, I'm thinking to come to NYC, August 7th, and leave on 28th, also from NYC.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Hell, I will DRIVE down to NY to meet the Meese family Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
What happened to Chicago? Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
I'm pretty sure it's still there. Why, did you hear something?
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Yeah Bob, I heard it was stolen. Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
But seriously, I thought it wes decided the con would be in Chicago. Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
I think I could do Chicago, maybe. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Is someone doing a spreadsheet/list counting how many votes for which site? If not, I could do that for you...
FG
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
It should probably be noted that our trip to NY won't necessarily include NYC. Nothing much has been planned yet, other than we're going to see Mama's dad & mom, and they live in Fillmore. I'm pretty sure We'll be flying into Buffalo. While we would love to see Hatrackers, this trip is mainly to see family.
I really hope we can work it all out to see folks, but I hate to get hopes up (mine as well as yours).
Also, Mama mentioned that if we do end up going through Chicago, we must see a Cubs game (she's been a fan for as long as I've known her). Maybe that could be worked somehow into a Chicagocon if that ends up being the final location?
--Pop
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm SO in for a Cubs game Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Works for me. (The Cubs game, that is.)
[ January 20, 2004, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: Derrell ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Ok how many days is this going to be for? There are a lot of things to do in chicago, and only so much time. Right now the art museum and a cubs game has been mentioned. Remember each activity is going to cost $$. You can get a citypass if you are really planning on staying for a while to see most the sights but that is probably too much for our limited amount of time and a strain on some folks budget.
I would still strongly urge a motel or hotel in the suburbs near a Metra station to take in to the city, because it will likely be nicer and cheaper than stuff in the city.
AJ
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Here's the big deal to me:
So far, the majority of people who do not already live in a suggested city have suggested that they are actually willing to make a trip to Chicago. This is, IMO, because Chicago is central enough to most people that it makes such a trip considerably easier. We haven't seen the same kind of interest in a coastal city, and I'm afraid that any coastal "con" would wind up being essentially a glorified "clump" event.
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
Chicago might also be less expensive to fly to - it's a major hub.
I think we should call the Con "Jatraquero Family Get-Together".
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Do they sell kosher hot dogs at Wrigley Field?
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
To be honest, it isn't clear to me what makes this anything other than a glorified clump event, but then I'm not really a part of the planning process. I struggle with thinking of paying over $100 per night for a clump event, so I'm hoping it's more. But then again, the only "Con" I've ever been to is EnderCon, and I wouldn't expect this to be anything like that, if only for the headcount; also, I don't know that EnderCon was typical of Cons in general.
I feel like Guy Fleegman -- I'm just glad to be a part of the show.
--Pop
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*whispers to Pop* It basically IS a glorified clump event.
That said, I'd like to get a few planned and/or scheduled activities going, and think a multi-day "clump" deserves some kind of terminology of its own. Maybe a "clomp?"
I CAN'T imagine this thing involving speakers or celebrities, except maybe Kama. *wry laugh* But I COULD see a fair number of organized games and events, if we wanted. (For example, I'd LOVE to do a group reading of "The Eye of Argon." *grin*)
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
I know it's not happening in Southern California, but what about ShindaCon?
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
Let's NOT call it "Computer Companion Con"
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
I vote against ShindaCon. Keeping the Shindas in SoCal is another incentive for non-Californian Hatrackers to come out here.
By the way, is it considerably more expensive to fly to NY or LA than Chicago? Both of those cities are also major hubs.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
You may recall that I had volunteered to spearhead an effort to put together a real convention, but Tom pretty effectively shot that idea down.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
The problem with a "real convention" is that we would need someone with the money to sponsor it. IIRC the Cards lost money on EnderCon. I doubt that we could do better.
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
Just a note on the art museums - at very least, the Contemporary Art museum is free on Tuesdays.
That is all!
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:I CAN'T imagine this thing involving speakers or celebrities, except maybe Kama. *wry laugh* But I COULD see a fair number of organized games and events, if we wanted. (For example, I'd LOVE to do a group reading of "The Eye of Argon." *grin*)
Only if we do actual dramatic readings. And Hot Nathan can do an interpretive dance.
I think if we hold any meetings we should use Bob's Rules of Order. They're a lot like Robert's Rules of Order but with plenty of silliness thrown in. And anyone who makes a motion is asked to leave the room while the rest of us talk about them,...er...it.
Anyway, I'm all for free museums. Do we get to take some of the artwork home with us?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I think holding the thing on a Tuesday might effectively prevent a number of people from showing up. Assuming that most visitors would want to head out on a weekend, we'd be looking at at least a five-day event if we took this route.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote: really hope we can work it all out to see folks, but I hate to get hopes up (mine as well as yours).
well it's too late. My hopes are up, and unless you wanna dissapoint me and break my heart, you'll show up in NYC for a get-together. Got it?
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Mama only said NY, not NYC. You wanna jump to conclusions, that's your problem. *smile*
If (big if there) we were to make it out to NYC, I'm guessing it would be because Mama and I would leave Mooselet and Superstation with the grandparents while we drove out, rather than wanting to put the two Mooslings in a car for that long a drive. So it would just be the two of us, not the whole family. I would also guess that if we do make it out, we'd probably stay one night and drive back the next day. However, it's definitely something that Mama and I (and her parents) will need to discuss before we can make any guarantees. We didn't make it to the city last time we visited those parents, and we didn't have time to do anything other than get from one terminal to another when we stopped over in NY on our way to Ireland, so it would be nice to be able to see the actual city this time. But since this whole trip is a gift to us, we're probably going to accept and be grateful for whatever opportunities we have, and not be disappointed about anything else.
Oh, and "John" -- the plural is Shindae, not Shindas. Please get it right. *smile*
--Pop
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
quote: And Hot Nathan can do an interpretive dance.
Like. Hell.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
the question isn't why would i jump to the conclusion that you're going to NYC, it's why the heck would you go to NY and NOT go to NYC?
think about it.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Yes, but I've answered that question.
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Sorry about that, Pop. I don't know what I was thinking. Nevertheless, my resolution to keeping them in California stands.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
<-- celebrity!!! Wooo!!!
Which means my vote is decisive.
Chicago, then, mid-August 2004.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Touche.
The battle is yours. But the war shall be mine!!!
Posted by MaydayDesiax (Member # 5012) on :
Mid-August I MIGHT be able to pull off. However, most college Hatrackers are heading off to school. I'm trying to transfer up to Beloit, so I might be able to rally a few Hatrackers up there to drive down one or two days, but it's all tentative.
And I still love Con Jatraquero.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
I volunteer to do an interpretive snooze on the sofa.
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Could we make it early mid-August? I have to be at school around the 15th, I think...
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
I could come! I could come! I WANNA COME!!!
I vote we name it Kamacon, since she's the deciding factor.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
I was thinking about flying in on August 7th, and make it for the con on 13-ish but maybe I can do it a week earlier. It all depends on when I can get the tickets.
And I still can't talk to my boss until the end of February.
Posted by MaydayDesiax (Member # 5012) on :
Ooh, Ryuko, even better: ComaCon (they might think we're a bunch of English nerds). Or even ComCon.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
11th-14th would be really good. Try for that.
And I think "Kama Kama Kama Kama Kama Kamila Con" would be an excellent name.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
I knew someone would make a Culture Club joke.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
We could name it Kamaconsi and that way when the whole thing crashes and burns, we'll all be heroes anyway!
(okay, that was a really bad kamikazi joke, but Papa Moose already took the Culture Club one and I was feeling really needy. So even bad attention would be welcome...)
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
(throws a spear at Bob)
That pun hurt me deep inside. I may never recover.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I checked ticket prices last night (using Aug. 13-15 as a guesstimate), and Chicago is cheaper (from L.A.) than NYC, Boston, or Atlanta -- I don't think I checked anywhere else.
Does anyone know anything about some (smallish) outfit called Spirit Air?
[ January 20, 2004, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: rivka ]
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Chicago, Can Jatrequeros, August so Kama can attend. Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
rivka, I found their website. web pageSpirit air Unfortunately, they don't fly out of all the major airports, but do fly into O'hare.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I perused their website last night, and they do fly LAX to O'Hare, non-stop, once a day. (ONCE? itty bitty airline!)
I was hoping for someone with personal experience. I'll settle for someone who KNOWS someone with personal experience. Or are there any travel agent Jatraqueros?
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
rivka, unfortunately for me, they don't fly out of Phoenix. Sorry, I don't know anyone who's flown them.
Has anyone checked Southwest Airlines?
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
For those who would be flying out of Phoenix, I found a roundtrip flight for $262 at cheaptickets
Does anyone know anything about ATA airlines?
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
A question for those in the Chicago area, or who know their way around. Where is Midway airport?
I found a flight for $256, but it flies into Midway.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
We also need someone to get there and hire a big bus to ferry us all around! Maybe we should rent out a house for the weekend...it might be cheaper. We could call it "Weekend at Ernie's..." (Bert was booked)
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
Heh. Olivet and I were discussing Chicago as a site for the next Wenchcon, but here you've already decided to have a con in Chicago! Works for me.
Midway airport is on the southwest side of the city. I am 6 miles directly south of Midway, and would be happy to pick up anyone that might fly into there. The airport is also on the Orange Line, so public transportation is available. And Midway is the home for Southwest Airlines, so they would definitely be a good choice.
BannaOJ, I know a great hotel up near you that would be perfect for a con (Chicago area Mensa has their meetings and Halloweem con there). And it's just down the street from Metra. Would be happy to call/email/fax them for pricing info.
[ January 20, 2004, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: xnera ]
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
xnera, thank you. $256 is hard to beat. As we get closer to the actual date, I'll let you know the details. Posted by LadyDove (Member # 3000) on :
I'm hoping that if it's in Chicago, it's in late June. I'll be out in South Bend then and it would be easy to include Chicago in the trip. Aside from that, I really can't take any time off work. :::crosses fingers:::
Do we have any dates yet?
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
Kama said mid-August sometime.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Midway is an airport my sister used sometimes when she lived in Chicago. I believe it is attached to the mass transit system.
So what is the admission charge for the "Con" itself? Do I need to start donating plasma now? Who is in charge?
I vote for jatraquon, or KamaCon.
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
My vote's definitely running for RaqOn or RawkCon. Good idea, Johnny Bravo.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I'll be taking the train, instead of a plane, to Chicago. Went that way last time and it was much cheaper and a very enjoyable trip. But then I have to figure out how to get to whereever the convention is from the train station... probably will get off at Naperville instead of downtown Chicago.
I'll help financially however I can, with my limited resources. Is AJ in charge since she's in Chicago? We need one central coordinator.
Farmgirl
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Christy and I will be driving, and her parents live just a few minutes from the station at Naperville -- so if people arrive there, we can shuttle back and forth.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I'm willing to be sort of a "clearinghouse" however both xnera and TomD and Christy actually know more about the area than I do since I'm a newcomer.
xnera what hotel is it? There are a gazillion along Algonquin Rd. between Arlington Heights road and Golf Rd., and those were the ones I was thinking of. But they aren't as close to the train station.
AJ
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Thanks TomD.
My younger sister actually lives in Naperville, and I could probably ask her for transport, but I hadn't even decided whether or not to tell her I will be in the area -- since I don't know whether or not I will have time to visit them much...
(wait a minute! This sister and her husband are the ones who gave us our FIRST OSC book and got this whole thing started! Maybe I should say something to them......)
Farmgirl
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Does anyone think there is any chance that if enough of us show up, and really beg and plead, that maybe we could convince OSC to make a "surprise appearance" for at least one day of the con? Totally unofficial, of course...
after all, Kama is coming all the way over....might be her only chance to meet him...
FG
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Options so far:
JatraqueroCon Con Jatraquero Chili con Jatraquero UmbrellaStand Con Jatraquon RiverCon KamaCon SombreroCon The Con That Cannot Legally Be Named Crystal City Convention RackCon RaqCon
So, are we trying to get the dates yet? Mid-August, when? And how long?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
As the others say -- the earlier in August you can do it, the better, for me. Kids start school around the 15th or so -- I couldn't leave then.
now Addendum -- IF my son gets approved for that summer research program that I really hope he does, it ends on August 20th, and I may have to drive to Seattle to pick him up. So there is no way I could probably do both these things in one month.
But miracles happen..
Farmgirl
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
ChicagoConJatrequero
ChicagoCon familiarly.
[ January 21, 2004, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Javert Hugo ]
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
HutzahnstangeCon
Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
Wait wait wait...Mooses in Buffalo? w00t!!!!
Ahem...Chicago is actually a pretty cool idea. It's not impossibly far to drive, and I've never been there.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Looks like the two most likely weekends are August 6-8 and 13-15, neh? Kama, do both of those work for you? How about for the Davidsons?
What are other people's preferences?
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Either one works for me.
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
Either way, I'd better work on getting a car with good air conditioning.
Or, seeing as I'll be in New Orleans by then, maybe I'll rent a van and start a shuttle service for Mississippi River-area Hatrackers.
And I'm assuming this'll be a BYOB event?
Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Just when I was starting to toy with the idea of actually going to a get-together, ya'll decide on the week of my wedding/honeymoon.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Um, how do you feel about a wedding in Chicago? Or maybe a honeymoon there? Surrounded by your nearest and dearest online friends?
No? Ok, then you'll just have to change the date of the wedding. Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Lol!
Maybe I could videoconference you all in.
"Live, on Hatrack! Aja's wedding!"
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, if someone in the area can guarantee a fat pipe, we CAN videoconference her in. Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
13th to 15th we can hopefully and most likely make. 6th to 8th we probably can't.
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
13th to 15th it is. Posted by Ayelar (Member # 183) on :
Tom, are you implying that there will be drugs at this Con?? No wonder the Cards don't want to sponsor it!
But if plans change, I'm sure Chicago would be nice, too. Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
*counts on fingers*
I wonder how much better the odds of one of us winning the would be if everyone bought a ticket.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
My mom confirms that I have several cousins in the Chicago area. (Actually, the conversation went something like this: "Well, there are the Xs--" "Oh, right! I forgot that's where they live!" "--and of course, the Ys--" "They live in Chicago TOO?" ) So I probably can wrangle somewhere to stay.
Have we decided on a part of town yet?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
well that will make your kosher food easier to acquire as well.
I'm all for saving money. But the fact is that the assorted relatives that have been mentioned with locations for people to stay at are scattered all over Chicagoland. Chicago traffic is worse at rush hour than L.A. traffic, partially because it is less predictable (other than slow) and harder to time. Weekend evening traffic can be just as bad as rush hour traffic becuase all of the suburb people are streaming in and out.
All I'm saying is even if we do have one central designated location, people staying with relatives becomes problematic (with rivka's case because she has the whole kosher concern I understand, but we can't make exceptions for everyone either.) The other possibility is making it more like a tour group. We could stay wherever we choose and then all meet at time X at Union Station to do activities P and Q divide the group to eat at Z and R and then have free time on our own until time Y the next day. We wouldn't have as much unity and cohesiveness but it would allow people to both hang out with each other or do other activities as they see fit.
AJ
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
We need a central location with a conference room somewhere for a home base. Where else could we fence? People can stay elsewhere, but I suspect that plan will be blown out of the water the first night and people will want to sleep on the floor of the conference room before leaving the hotel.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
My understanding from my mom is that we have friends and relatives in lots of Chicagoland areas -- hence my question. I need to know which relative or family friend I'm sponging off of. Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Yeah, that's a factor for me, too. If I do end up coming, I'm going to end up spending the weekend at my grandmother's house in Rockton, which is pretty far from Chicago, all told. If I can wrangle up some money, I might be able to get a room somewhere, I dunno.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I would strongly advise people NOT to stay with family, if they can avoid it. Sharing a suburban hotel room gets the cost per night down low enough that it's probably doable for all but the poorest individuals, and I don't see why we couldn't take up a collection for lodging the same way we plan on doing for Kama's airfare. Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Yeh, that seems all right. If enough people share a room, it gets really cheap...
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
While it was a motel six, I think it ended up being about $15/ person for a night with 7 people when we went to the OSC Cinci signing. I'm guessing everyone spent about $10-$15 on food too.
If we guaranteed quadruple occupancy we could probably keep it that low. Once again it depends how fancy you want to go with lodgings. The other thing that we can do is go to grocery stores rather than resturaunts for breakfast cereal etc. I have a Sam's and Costco membership and can get non-kosher sandwich platter trays for uber cheap as well as their pizza or other things.
But it depends on what people want. If they want it on a cheap budget I'm willing to do things like this but there has to be a bit of uniformity in consensus. There is an awesome Cheescake factory in the bottom of the Hancock center too, but that is a different order of magnitude in cost.
We could plan on cheap do it yourself breakfast and lunches and then splurging on dinner once during the time too.
Are we talking 2 3 or 4 days for the duration of this event as well?
AJ
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
If enough people are coming, it might make sense to rent a Condo for the weekend rather than try for a hotel conference room. This would give you cooking facilities and alot of flexibility for the number of people and the activities.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Rabbit where do you go to look up that kind of thing? I am wondering what the price range would be on something in the city. The other major problem with anything downtown is parking for those of us who have vehicle.
Maybe something outside of the city would be do able but i don't knonw where you go looking for weekend rentals.
THough these are around $220 per night. That means even if we had 10 people it would be $20/day/person
[ January 21, 2004, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Yeah, both these weekends are cool with me. The only difference is whether I'd come a weekend before to New York, or the Con weekend (or a bit earlier (Thursday?), to Chicago.
I will be taking a direct flight to either of these cities, which is more expensive, but at least I'd be sure I won't get lost at an airport somewhere in Europe. Actually, if you guys are really willing to contribute to my trip, it would be easier if I paid the plane fare, and you paid for my hotel bed during the Con Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Ok can someone do a head count and see how many people we actually have wanting to attend right now?
If you wanted it to be extremely low budget, and were willing to sleep in sleeping bags and on couches we could probably fit 15+ people at my house. Those who have been there know how huge our family room is, and we have more room than when you last saw because all the computers have been moved out and into one of the bedrooms.
By August we should have all of the bedrooms fixed up as well which would make room for even more people. It wouldn't be high class, but it would be homey. I do have dogs so people with major allergies could have problems.
It's an offer I thought I should throw out there...
AJ
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Dogs? What kind? I had a terrier,chihuaua mix when i as a kid.
One question. Ok, one more question. does anyone in your house smoke?
Some might be alergic.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Or we could do some sort of financal need based program, where those who are broke can stay at my house and those who wish to have a motel room of their own can stay at a nearby hotel.
I was just thinking that while we could give the Meese a bedroom of their own for staying with us, they might prefer a bit more elbow room with two small children.
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
It is just Steve and I and neither of us smoke. The previous occupant was a non-smoker as well.
Oh yes the dogs are Cardigan Welsh Corgis. www.phi-vestiavia.com will give you an idea. I will have two for sure, Jake and Ciara and possibly a third puppy, though not Lucy the one I have now, because she is going back to her breeder. She's beautiful but has crooked teeth which means she can't be shown. I've only had her for a month on a trial basis anyway so while I'm bummed out about it I'm not totally attached to her yet.
AJ
[ January 21, 2004, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Cool. Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
As one who is financially challenged, i'd be up for a spot on the couch or floor.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
AJ, you're in/near Skokie? Wasn't there a thread somewhere where you posted your address? *goes hunting*
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Even though I have family up there -- I will plan to stay in whatever hotel/convention center we all agree to meet in -- share room to cut costs -- but I don't want to miss even a minute of the action. So I don't want to stay anywhere with relatives.
That would be kinda like living "off campus" in college -- you miss all the good stuff.
FG
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I work near Skokie, The town I work in is actually Morton Grove which is the next town over from Skokie. I live 13 miles (about a 30 minute drive) to the Northwest in a town called Rolling Meadows. It isn't within walking distance of a metra line but it is about a five minute drive away and at the worst it would take two or three trips in my mini van to get everyone to a train station.
AJ
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
WinchCon? WinceCon? WisconsinCon?
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Anna, trust me. Everyone is going to want to stay in the same place.
Ask the people who missed out WalMart. It's terrible because the fun keeps going even after Good Night is officially declared.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
pooka, Chicago isn't in Wisconsin. Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I like the idea of a condo, if enough people come. I think $20 a night is well worth the cost.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Kat right now I'm throwing out brainstorm ideas. My house is one option if the group is smaller. I don't think we really have a handle on numbers of people considering coming, and then you have to cut that by 40-50% to go from "considering" to actually coming.
The greather IL-WI-IA clump has 8-10 members and a couple random significant others. Then you start adding the near Indiana people Theca, Jenny Gardner, Celia (+/-Bill) and maybe Hobbes (if school is in sesssion). I'm forgetting someone in Michigan.
Then add the Bloomington area clump which contains at least three who might show up we are up to.
So that brings us to about 17ish in local people. Take 2/3 of that due to scheduling conflicts and you get down to around 12. So that would probably be the nucleus.
Now we start counting the farther away people. Going through the two main threads of people who have actually SAID would come or expressed interest. Kama <Main attraction!> (would come) rivka (would) fizako (would) Anthro (might) Lalo (likely, unless his bike broke down in Montana) Calvinmaker (could. but didn't say would ) Farmgirl (would) Olivet (might) ak (might but depends on if in country) JohnnyNotSoBravo (might) Meese <main attraction #2> (would since we picked the date for them!) Derrell (might) mackillian (might.. particularly if a Cubs game were an enticement) saxon75 (interested) Bob_Scopatz (might?) MaydayDesiax (might) Ryuko (wants to) pooka (might) katharina (might?) The Tick et al. (might?) Rabbit?
These names are all from this thread Now cross checked from rivka's thread Bob tL (better come if we find vegan food) twinky (with bob?) Annie (maybe... if we can get Hobbes there?) Shan (might)
Hey farmgirl could you turn this into one of your wondrous spreadsheets?
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Well I have aboue 25 on the "might" list So I'm guessing that after you do a 50% reduction we might have a dozen there.
So that actually brings us in around 20- 24 people realistically.
AJ
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Hmm... I'd add in 4-5 for unexpecteds. There were at three unexpecteds at WenchCon, and that was in Georgia. Justin came out of the blue, and Taalcon decided at the last minute.
The get-togethers seem to be getting bigger. WenchCon last year was 11, and this year it hit 22.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
blacwolve I like the idea of a condo too, but from what I've seen the cost is exorbitantly high and cant handle more than about 10 people. My house out in the suburbs would be nearly as good if not better than a condo, which is one of the reasons I threw it out there.
AJ
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
$20/night is insanely cheap for August of any year.
<is a hotelier>
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Once again, it depends on occupancy and how "high class" of a hotel or motel you want to stay in. I know of at least one motel 6 with a conference room nearby.
The question is what do the attendees want?! AJ
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
That would be so cool if we could all fit...
I don't know, though. I can completely see there being 25-30 people there. Could we all fit then?
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Okay, who got the hotel for WenchCon? Becuase that seemed to work. Four in a room meant $20 a night, and I think everyone who wanted to come, could.
A hotel would also have a higher number of bathrooms and maybe a smidgeon more privacy for those who want it.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Another reason I'd like to avoid people's houses is that there are potential power issues involved. I don't want anyone to feel like they're "hosting" this thing, or have to somehow provide services for the rest of us.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I agree Tom. However I thought it was something that should be tossed out there as a brainstorm.
AJ (now lets discard it and move on with other ideas, I really don't think a condo is feasible either with 20+ people)
[ January 22, 2004, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I wonder how many people we would have to have for OSC to show up and have fun with us.
I mean I would want him to have fun and be part of the community, not be stuck speaking to us or anything formal. Heck we could even veto all autographing even of attendees personal books. It would be worth it to get him to show.
AJ
(Actually I suspect Mrs. Card would be the life of the party <grin>)
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It's entirely possible that we scare OSC a bit. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Quite possible.
AJ
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
It's pretty easy to get a nice hotel for pretty cheap this time of year. The rack rate for even an upscale hotel is going to be about $70 plus 2x$5 for two extra adults in a double-double. In summertime, it can double. July and August are particularly bad months.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I'd even say "likely".
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
We should probably check into an All-suites hotel. You could probably get a two room suite with a King and a Murphy with two roll-outs. That'd be one bed per person. I'm not sure how that'd run, though.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Once again... how nice are we going. Motel 6 only goes up $3-$4 dollars in the summer compared to the winter as long as you have reservations two weeks in advance.
And there are always discount packages, I've never paid a rack rate yet.
AJ
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
The only thing I have to say about Motel 6 is "bring your own comforter/sleeping bag." The sheets are clean but fear everything else.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*votes for Motel 6 or similar*
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
You just aren't enough of a cheapskate Primal Curve. I've stayed in many Motel 6s and found 90% of them to be just fine. They are also one of the few remaining chains that are pet friendly.
AJ
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
I work for a chain that is pet friendly.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
The all suites is a good idea though!
does Amerisuite do the same thing?
AJ
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
Please put me on the "thinking about coming" list. It turns out that school starts a little later in August this year, so that shouldn't be a conflict.
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Does Motel 6 do conference rooms?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
yes there are more expensive chains that are pet friendly. However when I'm shelling out money on entry fees and gas to go to the dog show I want the cheapest reasonably clean accomodations possible. Unless they vaccume the mattresses daily and lysol everything you are always going to have human skin from the prior occupants floating around the room along with the dustmites. If you are paranoid, you would be better off in any hotel or motel by bringing your own lysol, IMO.
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Some motel 6s do have conference rooms for wedding receptions etc. I'll look into it.
AJ
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
You know, I can't imagine holding my wedding reception in a Motel 6. The mind boggles. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Well the wedding reception I went to in Ohio was a Super8. but I've been on the lookout ever since for them. A lot of times they are tucked away and you don't notice that a conference room is there.
AJ
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Can we at least rule out the Motel 3? Their slogan: "Half as good as Motel 6"
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
btw Primal Curve, how far up the food chain is the hotel you work for? Could you get us discounts????
AJ
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
A friend of mine (good friend at the time) had her wedding reception at either a Motel 6 or a Motel 8.
Worst. Reception. Ever.
It was every bit as bad as you might imagine such a reception would be. The only thing that made it seem good was that it was better than the wedding itself, which was presided over by a drunk reverend who started eating M&Ms mid way through the ceremony.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
A computation I like is that of those who are "definitely" 1/3 don't show. Of those who are "maybe" 1/3 do show. I don't know if that changes the numbers so much. But it worked well for my last baby shower.
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
Noemon, that sounds positively painful.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
This reception, wasn't bad. Very well planned and everything. The room was possibly slightly small for the number of people but there were probably 60+ people there too. The motel had recently been renovated and was pretty much sold out to the wedding guests.
Right now my calculation algorithm has been to cut the "near" possible jatraqueros by 1/3 and the "far" possible jatraqueros by 1/2. I was just trying for a very rough estimate.
AJ
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Also there are Chicago cubs home games vs. the Dogders on the 13th 14th and 15th.
I talked to a co-worker and she said the tickets can run $20-$30 each in the cheap seats. Possibly could cost even more because they did so well in the playoffs last year.
AJ
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Might I request that the Cubs game, if included on the 'official' schedule, be on the 14th? Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
You have some interesting friends Noemon.
Do you guys have your birthday parties at the local gas station?
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Speaking of costs: how much do you think an average Kama would spend during 3 weeks (considering I'd need to eat, drink, take a bus or train, and visit places like museums and stuff)?
Also, if we organize the Con at a hotel I'd be staying there, even though the rest of the time I'd rather haunt people's houses
I think a game would be cool, but probably a lot of other things would too.
*counts saved money*
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
But you're hardly an average Kama, Kama!
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
okay then, an original Kama Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
rivka is that because you do, or don't want to see the game? I'm guessing you couldn't see it til after sundown and the game even if a night game would probably start before sundown because it is summer and the days are long. Also the time of the game hasn't been announced yet.
AJ
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Oh my gosh! I just went to put this on my calendar as a tentative -- and realized that's the weekend of my daughter's 15th birthday!!
which means I would have to bring her along, of course...... she would kill me otherwise.... a trip to Chicago on her birthday with her...
::note to self - save more money::
Farmgirl
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Don't. And if it's a night game, then Friday works even better.
I figure I'll get y'all to schedule the things I'm not interested in when I can't come; that way the things that I am interested in might be when I can.
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
I suppose I am an obvious choice for planning this event, since I have lived in Chicago all my life.
*takes deep breath*
Okay. First of all, what are we looking to get out of the con? Truthfully, my favorite times with Jatraqueros all were simply sitting around and talking. Going out for an event is fun, but it's not necessary, I think, to have a good time. Therefore, I propose that the majority of the weekend be spent cooped up in a hotel.
I'm certainly not against a little siteseeing, though, especially since we will have foreign visitors. A Cubs game would be fine with me. I've never been to Wrigley Field (third generation Sox fan, here), and it's about high time I went. But there's also plenty of things to do in town that are cheap or even free. The Art Institute of Chicago takes donations for their entrance fee. Suggested donation is $10 for adults, but I've paid as little as $1.50 in change and gotten in. The Lincoln Park Zoo is free, and right next to it is the Peggy Notebaert Nature Museum, which has a lovely butterfly garden. We could also just hang about the Museum campus or walk up and down the lakefront. Lots to see on the Lake--I should know, I've walked over 13 miles of the front. I think Saturday or Sunday would be the best day for an outing, depending on religious restrictions.
Now, about the hotel: the one I had in mind is the Sheraton Chicago Northwest, which I would link to but the link is longer than the length of this post. It's right down the street from Arlington Race Track and a Metra station, and has a free shuttle to the Woodfield Mall and other locations within a 5 mile radius. Which means we could probably get free shuttle rides to the train station.
One of the things I disliked about Wenchcon was all the coming and going from the meeting room, especially during the movie. This is why I think having 2-3 small meeting rooms would be better. It just so happens that I've attended monthly Mensa meetings at this hotel, and that's the setup they use. One lecture room, one hospitality room, one game room. I'm thinking we would one one bigger meeting room for general hanging out, a smaller audio/visual room for them as wants to watch TV and movies, with possibly a third room for gaming/hospitality. I've taken the liberty of requesting a quote from the hotel; they should get back to me within 48 hours. And yes, I did ask if the offer vegetarian/vegan/kosher food.
I'd also be happy to check out other hotels that people may have in mind. I like the idea of staying in the suburbs close to an L or Metra station. Downtown is too busy for my tastes, plus there's the lack of parking for those of us who would be driving. There's some hotels with meeting rooms near Midway... but truthfully, the area around Midway is not that great. Schaumburg at least has lots to do... shopping, Gameworks, movies. Oh, and it'll be rallye season, so there might possibly be a road rallye running that Saturday ($15 a car! Cheap and fun!).
[ January 22, 2004, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: xnera ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
xnera, you're great! You've clearly put a lot of thought and effort into your suggestions. Thank you. And I appreciate you requesting kosher food.
[rant] All hotels/motels should have a web site! The little independents should band together and put up the equivalent of brochures with number of rooms, amenities, etc. It's so FRUSTRATING trying to find hotels in a specific area! Especially when, like me, you are geographically impaired, and dealing with a city I have not been in as long as I can remember.
And doesn't the CTA have a trip-planner? I just want it to tell me where the closest stations to a given address are. Instead there are these maps, and matching the landmarks on the subway maps with those on the Yahoo maps is . . . challenging. Huge parks which show up on the Yahoo map show no trace on the subway map. Where did they go? And so figuring out which of the maps is the right one took quite a lot of trial-and-error. Mostly error . . . [/rant]
Even after poring over maps all day, I confess to not having much idea where anything is. I kid not about being geographically impaired! But if we could find something that works for everyone in/near the 60659 zip code, it would take care of the kosher food problem for me (since there are a some kosher restaurants and stores (and one of my cousins, I think) in walking distance) AND mean that I could walk to synagogue (there seem to be two or three thereabouts) on Saturday morning, which I would love to be able to do.
This map (together with the yahoo maps) leads me to believe that I am referring to south Lincolnwood and the area near Northeastern U; and that there are buses? trains? both? nearby.
On this page, I found some hotels in that zip, but finding out information beyond their phone numbers and addresses is IMPOSSIBLE! Not surprisingly, many are near each other, like these two: Lincoln Inn, 5952 N Lincoln Ave, Chicago, IL 60659, (773-784-1118) Lincoln Motel, 5900 N Lincoln Ave, Chicago, IL 60659, (773-561-3170)
Now, if the latter were a cheapish motel and the former a nicer place, and if their addresses really do indicate that they are a block or so apart, then it would be possible to keep happy both those who want to stay cheaply and those who don't -- at least in theory. It's a nice theory, neh? But since I can't find any info, I suspect they're both cheapish motels. *sigh*
If there is no hotel that works for everyone in the area, then I'll figure something else out. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
xnera
We really appreciate you taking on the heavy role of having to help coordinate this thing -- I realize it is a huge task, so you have my applause!
My suggestion/question -- will there be anyplace near (a park, etc) that has a huge open area where we could maybe get together an impromtu game of touch football, or tourney frisbee, or softball? Something where we can get out and stretch our legs and burn some energy?
I'm sorry, but as a farmgirl, I CAN'T stay pent up inside the whole time -- I have got to spend some of the time outdoors or I will go crazy!!
FG
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I suppose we can look at hotels near the Grant Park area....
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
The Sheraton hotel (I was wondering if that was what you were thinking of xnera) is next to the Arlington Heights Race track. There is actually quite a bit of greenspace around there.
We probably should check the race track schedule and make sure there are no major stakes races then? Also it is within walking distance of the metra though the metra is on the opposite side of the race track. It is that borderline distance where a shuttle would be nice but not necessary.
For rivka, can you take public transportation on the sabbath? If not the best solution might be to put you on before sabbath and send you to your cousins and then retrieve you afterwards.
xnera if we do have it at the Sheraton I'm willing to help out with supplies etc since you know I live right there.
quote:And there are always discount packages, I've never paid a rack rate yet
Ooh - ask if they have a 'Rack rate
Personally, if I'm spending money to go to Chicago, I'd rather spend the time seeing as much of Chicago as I can, rather than as much of a hotel conference room in a Chicago suburb that I can. But that's just me.
I would love a day at the Art Institute and the Field Museum (yay Field Museum!) and another morning or afternoon spent downtown. (One must eat at Gino's and scribble on the walls when one is in Chicago)
..but this said, I tend to be the type of person who spends every minute of a vacation walking around exploring new places, and this can wear people out. And of course I want to spend time with as many Jatraqueros as possible.
My proposal: Plan outings during the days, and then plan fun social Jatraquero things during the nights. One of these things should totally be a white elephant exchange
And another favor - can we pretty please have a t-shirt design contest? Let's name this thing fast so I can make a cool t-shirt design.
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Aren't elephants grey or pink? Where did you find a white one, and how doy you get it on the plane?
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Oooooo! T-shirt! ::applauds Annie's idea::
FG
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Would Eros Con give folks entirely the wrong idea?
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Like WenchCon didn't Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
quote:One of these things should totally be a white elephant exchange
Yes!
white elephant exchange thousand ideas in an hour karaoke (we have to. You should have heard the harmonies during "Yellow Submarine")
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I personally like
Con Jatraqueros
"Where you hang your hat"
Or Chicago Con Jatraqueros
But I do like the Sombrero idea too.
AJ
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
It's too bad we couldn't call it ZomboCon. It would be a very welcoming name.
Posted by Jenny Gardener (Member # 903) on :
Now is this on a weekend or during the week?
Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
Considering how many people work, I'm thinking it's going to be on the weekend + a day or two before/after.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Hehe.. ZomboCon really WOULD sum up the experience... :giggles:
"Welcome to ZomboCon! You can do anything at ZomboCon! Anything at all! The only limit is yourself!"
[ January 23, 2004, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
as said previously in the thread the planned for date is August 13-15...
AJ
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
How about the DotCon? DorkCon? AnnieCon?
Oooh, I like the sound of that one...
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Ooh - and if there's Karaoke, I'm becoming Shakira. Just thought I'd give everyone fair warning.
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
I agree with Annie's idea about doing stuff in Chicago during the day and getting all the 'rackers together at night. I definitely want to see the city, go up in the Sears Tower, visit musems, etc. We should prolly split into groups who want to tour the city and groups who want to sit around and talk.
At the Portland get together there seemed a good dynamic of letting one Ralphie/Narnia type of personality be in each group to take care of decisions, maintaining conversations, etc. And we should have one person in each group who knows their way around the city as well. Jatraqueros who have already met can figure out who those people are.
So we need:
a definite date(as in calendar date ) for the weekend.
a guestlist
accomodations. One place or several?
events to be held at night, and the location(s) of said events.
groups of people to be doing things together during the day (wandering around a strange city is more fun with other people!).
some other thing(s) that I'm prolly forgetting.
It looks like some of these things have been talked about already, but they can't be decided without a definite date or guestlist. Once we get a core guestlist, we can make all the main decisions and other people who want to come can adapt or we can alter the plan slightly. Someone from Chicago should be the one in charge...
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I don't think JNSB is reading ALL of the above posts to the thread -- or he would know we pretty much have the date set, and that xnera offered to be coordinator....
FG
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
So this morning before work I did a quick SmartPages search for synagogues and Mormon churches (that's what you call them, right? Temples are for the special occasions, right?) and there's some of each in the area, about 15 minutes away by car. Also, Busse Woods forest preserve is just a couple exits down 53. I'd be up for a hike sometime. Oh, and Annie, there's also a Gino's East in the area (um, on Algonquin I think). And yeah, we definitely have to go for pizza. I will not let y'all come to Chicago without having some REAL pizza while you are here.
Of course, this is all assuming we end up at the Sheraton. It might be worth looking into the hotels downtown, especially if we are going to go to the museums and whatnot. Though last time I got prices for this sort of thing, it seemed like the downtown hotels were more expensive that the suburban ones.
Posted by TimeTim (Member # 2768) on :
Ahhh Chicago!
City of a thousand Kites...
I think kiteflying should definitely be on someones itinerary
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
One cool thing to do is watch the sun set from the Hancock center. My friends who have been up both say the view is actually better from the hancock building than the sears tower.
They have a bar (smoking allowed) on the floor below the observatory. And it is cheaper to buy a non-alchoholic drink (though it will cost like $5) than pay for the observatory the story above.
AJ
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
Ok, I hope the dates are secure and I hope something is happening, because we plan on being in Chicago from the 11th or 12th to the 15th, whether anything happens or not. Our tickets haven't been purchased yet, but the wheels are in motion.
--Pop
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
quote:Farmgirl wrote: I don't think JNSB is reading ALL of the above posts to the thread -- or he would know we pretty much have the date set, and that xnera offered to be coordinator....
Actually, I did read all of the above posts and I knew that dates had been mentioned, but as Pop implied in the above post, we haven't set it in stone. FG herself said in the middle of page 5 that it was a tentative, but maybe she just meant that it was tentative that she was coming. Since we don't even know who's coming for sure, how can we get their opinions on dates and coordinator? Some people may have to wait til the weekend to find time to post.
As for xnera being coordinator, that's fine by me! I saw that AJ and others had also posted regarding the Chicago area as well so I didn't know if they were going to co-chair it or not. I guess I'll just wait the thread out 'til we have "stone" dates so that I can make travel and financial plans, and when it begins to gel I can email the coordinator(s).
I hope the dates are secure, too. I wanna meet the famous Papa Moose and family!
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
There is no freakin' way I am going to plan this whole thing by myself. I'm willing to do the brunt of the work, but believe me, as time gets closer I will be shoving some responsibilities onto other people. You have been warned.
Oh, and hey, this is my 800th post. w00t. Maybe I *will* hit 1000 because this century ends.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Karen, I'd be happy to help with more than a few of the calls. Drop me an E-mail and we'll coordinate duties.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
JatreqCon?
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
My parents have agreed that I can go IF I have a job by then and IF I can get time off of it. So basically, unless something goes horribly wrong, I'm able to go. Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
how 'bout ChiConGo? HatConRack? RathackCon (we could put it on T shirts and say there was a mixup at the printers')?
Ooh, 'nother T shirt idea! We could put Alvin from the cover of Crystal City in a Star Trek uniform and yelling, "Con! Cooooooooooon!" (sounds like Khan) with the Chicago skyline in the background. Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
Geekcon?
Ni!
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
Ja-cagoCon.
Posted by Da_Goat (Member # 5529) on :
UnmentionedConvention
Posted by Boon (Member # 4646) on :
And yes, I totally want to come...
If I do come, I will be bringing the new baby. My older 2 will stay home with Daddy...with Opa (my dad) filling in.
My list of demands: Non-smoking room, baby and I get a bed. That's it. I don't mind sharing a room, as long as the people sleeping there don't mind 3am feedings. On the other hand, I also would not be offended in the least if nobody wanted to bunk with a 3 month old baby.
I'll probably want to share driving responsiblities with somebody...it's a long way. I don't mind using my van (it has 7 seat belts)if enough people want a ride (I'd be driving from Tulsa, OK). Alternatively, I'd consider hitching a ride (Bob, did I see you volunteer?).
So...never having been to one of these things, just how much money will I need to tuck away for this? If BB (BoonBaby) and I go everywhere and do everything planned, how much will it all cost? Plan on, say, $100 a day? What think you wiser, more experienced Con-goers?
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
August 12-15 or whatever works for me. My birthday's on the 9th, but it gives me plenty of time after my birthday to regroup.
quote:I agree with Annie's idea about doing stuff in Chicago during the day and getting all the 'rackers together at night. I definitely want to see the city, go up in the Sears Tower, visit musems, etc. We should prolly split into groups who want to tour the city and groups who want to sit around and talk.
At the Portland get together there seemed a good dynamic of letting one Ralphie/Narnia type of personality be in each group to take care of decisions, maintaining conversations, etc. And we should have one person in each group who knows their way around the city as well. Jatraqueros who have already met can figure out who those people are.
So we need: a definite date(as in calendar date ) for the weekend. a guestlist accomodations. One place or several? events to be held at night, and the location(s) of said events. groups of people to be doing things together during the day (wandering around a strange city is more fun with other people!). some other thing(s) that I'm prolly forgetting. It looks like some of these things have been talked about already, but they can't be decided without a definite date or guestlist. Once we get a core guestlist, we can make all the main decisions and other people who want to come can adapt or we can alter the plan slightly. Someone from Chicago should be the one in charge...
One of the things we could do:
I can teach people the basics of swing dancing, and then one of the nights we could go to an actual swing dance. They're a ton of fun to go to, whether you're dancing or simply watching, and they aren't very expensive.
Also, I'd be happy to share some of the planning duties as well, if needed.
And not having gone to that gathering, I'm not exactly sure what a Ralphie/Narnia personality is, but I've met tons of hatrackers at OSC's writer's class, Endercon, Shadow Puppets signing, Wenchcon, and other various hatrack gatherings, so chances are I'll know a good deal of people coming to this Con.
Posted by CalvinMaker (Member # 2032) on :
Oh, and I could bring Apples to Apples, and Settlers of Catan (if I own it buy then, which I most definetely will).
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: Ooh, 'nother T shirt idea! We could put Alvin from the cover of Crystal City in a Star Trek uniform and yelling, "Con! Cooooooooooon!" (sounds like Khan) with the Chicago skyline in the background
JNSB -- you really cracked me up with that one!! (and I'm sorry if I offended you on the earlier post -- I was just kidding)
CalvinMaker -- I already know how to swing dance -- but I'll be happy to help you demonstrate!
quote: Also, Busse Woods forest preserve is just a couple exits down 53. I'd be up for a hike sometime
xnera -- that sounds heavenly! I would love it!
Farmgirl
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
Noah -- there's an excellent dance hall near me (the Willowbrook ballroom) that does swing every other Sunday, with free lessons. Huge dance floor, great music, plus it's family friendly, so you don't need to be 21 to go. Only bad thing is that it's rather far from the hotel I had in mind. Hmm--may need to look for a different hotel, then.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Swing dancing Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Xnera, I will happily come early to help set up, shuttle people from airport to hotel, or do whatever other tasks you would like to assign.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
*bump*
I never posted in this thread. A lot of the activity happened while I was busy being sick.
Just want to say I'm here in the Chicago area (by O'Hare) and I hope I'll be able to attend. My schedule is not always predictable or controllable, but I'm hoping to be there for part of it.
If others in the area who are doing planning, etc. want to throw a task or two my way, just ask.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Total Votes : 23
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Kama, where is the sakeriver link? Can you re-post that so people know where to go to vote?
AJ
Posted by Frisco (Member # 3765) on :
I think there'll be enough Kama-love going around without having to name the Con after her. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well, it isn't just to show we love her.
If you actually say "KamaCon" outloud, it is pretty catchy. Has a nice rhythm to it and rolls off the tongue. And it is something no one else would understand...
Farmgirl
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I think if we have two choices that are that close, we need to have a run-off.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Pronounce "Jatraquon" for me, please.
FG
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
HAT-ra-con
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I can think of two pronunciations: hah-trah-kohn and jah-trah-kohn (sorry, I don't know how to do formal phonemics). I think the first is correct, but I rather like the second. Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
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