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Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

yqxt utauxup hor xbm xeucbg sikax wmm kfqw for kpvogq uw hbm bxcg fmx yvvfr vbww ybm gqggvygkax tor xbm rbbr wsuba hjoayscg

[ January 14, 2004, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: saxon75 ]

Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :

You TOO?! What is the world coming to??? [Wall Bash]

(edit: Hey! I have 1776 posts! Cool! [Wink]

)

[ January 13, 2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: Raia ]

Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :

Does look like single replacement.

Lots of occurances of 'bm', 'xbm' appears twice.

With that in mind, and 'wmm' and 'mv' one would assume that m is going to be vowel.

'ogq' is also a series that appears frequently.

Posted by Koga (Member # 5646) on :

I wonder that says, if it really says anything, only one language comes to mind that doesn't always use vowels regularly, and I beleive Raia knows it, so it might actually say something.

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

No "x" sound in Hebrew. And I think T is right. But I'm too lazy to figure it out. [Wink]

Posted by Koga (Member # 5646) on :

well then I am percise in my posts but not accurate.

If I comprehend that discussion from Chemistry correctly then I just said my posts are consistently wrong, but I could have accurate and percise backwards. [Dont Know]

Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :

Bump.

I'm going to start thinking about this again.

Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :

Ok, lets go over this one:

'rbbr'

First, B is either consonant or vowel. Duh.

Second, it will start and end on the same letter.

Lets thing of a few actual combonations we could use with it being a vowel.

deed peep poop toot boob noon

Ok, now with B as a consonant

anna elle otto

Can anyone else think of any others?

Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :

Also, following the same method for 'wmm'.

baa fee gee lee see pee tee wee woo too poo moo goo boo coo

add all aww ass edd eff egg inn ill odd off oww ubb (code) uhh umm

Posted by zgator (Member # 3833) on :

Notice 'vbww'. That means 'w' also has to be a letter than can be doubled.

Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :

Yes, I've been keeping that in mind also.

Alas, it is time for my next class.

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

I appear to have made a mistake. The fifth word should be "xeucbg," not "leucbg." I will change the original post.

By the way, I unintentionally made this much harder than I meant to. I was going to post a series of codes with each successive one getting harder and harder, or at least different. This one is closer to the second one I was going to do.

Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :

Well, assuming this is a single replacement code, it can be a good start to look how often a single letter occurs and match this with the frequency that certain letters appear in the english language. This is kind of a small sample which makes it unreliable, but nevertheless, I'm bored, so here we go.

The most common letter in english is "e"; winner in this sample is "b" that occurs 10 times, beating "x" and "g" on second place with 8 instances each. Statistically, one of them would be "t". Replacing all "b" with "e", and "x" with "t" we get:

mv oqgwi (titel)

yqTt utauTup hor TEm TeucEg sikaT wmm kfqw for kpvogq uw hEm ETcg fmT yvvfr vEww yEm gqggvygkaT tor TEm rEEr wsuEa hjoayscg

I can't figure out a word that would fit TEm, so I try again with exchanging "g" for "t" instead:

mv oqTwi (titel)

yqxt utauxup hor xEm xeucET sikax wmm kfqw for kpvoTq uw hEm ExcT fmx yvvfr vEww yEm TqTTvyTkax tor xEm rEEr wsuEa hjoayscT

At which point I see that I've managed to insert 9 T's instead of 8 and give up the entire exercise as fruitless. Bah.

I do have a program that counts the letters for me, so if anyone wants to know how many there are of any single letter, just let me know.

I'm still bored.

[ January 14, 2004, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Tristan ]

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

x jqfufs li wiwa rnei f nvbmulp. ybm koozb elgv wawjgp fg "cczxei," uci "fqzxei." p ffux okioul ybm tgappwom behm.

va sbm bxz, h diwwhyshcxcomxk lnei ybqb fhxk pisviw lbio w vrfoh ni. x fxt zvxwu ai eehm u txwanx hu irsix pfcb mfdk anxfhxlbea tcs llyncwu oisviw sor lisviw, gg su fqftm xmolkwwsh. nbqb hcs nb voahxw li ibm xxhrcr scs n fxt zvxwu ai ss.

Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :

Fix that fifth word, sax.

Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :

Doesn't look like a simple substitution cipher. There is no word that has the same pattern as "gqggvygkax", for example (though "tattletale" comes close). Doesn't rule out proper names, though, so I could be wrong.

Nope, I'm not wrong [Big Grin]

. There are too many singleton letters ('x', 'u', 'h', 'n', 'p', 'w', and 'f', that I see).

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

f mmm emdwfec, zt rnj rbqx wycl.

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

xvtp, nc qljgp liwa ggjs jawq gmqbvag fi br no enj cie fgjs vmww ddxmywvez, vems w wsjiii cnjm ziulsdn ahguouq uqhl yi wmqb cr lly gl eaibm acdn

Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :

No, I mean fix the fifth word in the post right before mine.

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

yc'm vrgjwhw ut bc cb, iee.

Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :

You're right, my bad. I looked at it several times, and kept seeing "mei" instead of "rnei." My eyes are failing me.

However, I know the code. Deciphering is just the tiniest bit more difficult than ciphering, though, isn't it....

--Pop

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

OK, so Pop has it. Time for a new one. This one will likely be less difficult, though I'm not terribly certain:

pfqsp jcvza ilxbh beiwt vjqqr gefvh vsoag jpeqe hwuzj wyvpe qshbp wljka maxtf lhwqk ztjka kccbf hrvjz omhgp drpdh etnnd pprge tcpif svcwd zrvbu yeams mkijh nhqxx nthtu ntdrq iyffl zmkju gesgz ixzhvm

Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :

So on the original one -- was the code the result of your condition, or was the subject of the code the cause?

I'll look at the second one later.

--Pop

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

I'm having trouble parsing your question. By "subject of the code" do you mean what I used as a plaintext, or do you mean the subject of cryptography in general? My "condition" as you put it, pushed me into dragging my comms textbook off the shelf, if that helps any. It also got me to write the Perl scripts I'm using to encipher my messages.

Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :

I meant your plaintext. Always found that particular passage to be kinda pointless, and felt one had to put in six pounds of interpretation to get out an ounce of meaning from it.

Wish I knew various coding methods -- figuring out your codes without scratch paper or some sort of computer language is a little taxing on my brain. I could try something in visual basic through Excel, I suppose, but since I never really learned that it would be hack-and-slash programming.

--Pop

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

Ah, OK. I just used that plaintext because it was the first thing to spring to mind. I have to say that I'm pretty impressed with the speed with which you deciphered my messages. I don't think I would be very good at it, even if someone told me the system.

Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :

::sigh:: I'm remembering the code I posted last year, that nobody quite cracked. Anybody want to try again?

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

Sure, why not? Having multiple codes running simultaneously in the same thread can only make things more confusing! [Smile]

Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :

::bump::

Posted by Mike (Member # 55) on :

Sorry, I've been busy with the MIT Mystery Hunt all weekend, so I haven't had time to take another look. Maybe tomorrow?