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Beren One Hand
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President Bush acknowledged for the first time on Thursday that he had miscalculated post-war conditions in Iraq, the New York Times reported.

The paper quoted Bush as saying during a 30-minute interview that he made “a miscalculation of what the conditions would be” in post-war Iraq.

But he insisted that the 17-month-long insurgency was the unintended by-product of a “swift victory” against Saddam Hussein’s military, the Times reported.

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In the Times interview, the president also discussed the issue of North Korea and Iran’s nuclear ambitions, saying that he would not be rushed to set deadlines.

The newspaper said “Bush displayed none of the alarm about North Korea’s growing arsenal that he once voiced regularly about Iraq.”

It quoted him as saying about the leaders of North Korea and Iran: “I don’t think you give timelines to dictators.”

Reuters/MSNBC

I'm a little surprised at Bushs's timeline comment. Didn't Bush make a huge deal out of Iraq delaying UN weapon inspections?
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I wonder what the real reason is that Bush wanted war. *muses* Incidentally, the fact that I don't know why he wanted war so badly is why I can't vote for him again.
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Personally, I wonder how he thought a war and overthrow in Iraq would be quick and easy...governments aren't built in a matter of days, weeks, or months...
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I wonder what the real reason is that Bush wanted war.
Kat, Go to the website for the Project for The New American Century, http://www.newamericancentury.org. This is a neo-conservative think tank founded a decade ago by key members of the Bush administration including Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz and Jeb Bush. Read the older stuff on Iraq, the stuff written before GW Bush was elected. They outline clearly their motivations for invading Iraq.

My summary, which is a gross simplification of what they say in hundreds of pages of different reports, is that the invasion was designed to establish a controlling influence in the Middle East in order to control the regions stategic resources (ie oil). Read the reports and see for yourself.

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Ye gods... They will probably strike Iran next.
Am I alone in thinking this guy has NO IDEA what he's doing?
*tries so hard not to soapbox about him*

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key members of the Bush administration including ... Jeb Bush.
Jeb Bush is not a member of the Bush administration.
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Just keep in mind when you read about the Right's Iraqi ambitions that the Left had them as well. . .
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Whatever lets you sleep, Scott.

[ August 27, 2004, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]

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Ooh, boy, the partisan mud is thick today!
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Insanity Clause,

You'd think that GWB would have known just how much of a quagmire Iraq would be.

After all, his dad wrote just that in his book "A World Transformed"

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In 1998, former President George Bush and Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor during the Bush administration, collaborated on the book A World Transformed, a political history covering significant world events which occurred during the first three years of Bush's presidency (1989-1991): the collapse of the Soviet empire, the unification of Germany, Tiananmen Square, and the Gulf War.

In Chapter 19, which discusses the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War (also known as "Desert Storm," the military operation to liberate Kuwait from occupation by invading Iraqi forces), they wrote:

FROM THE BOOK:

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under the circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome.

I don't know about you, but if my dad published a book--even if it had nothing to do with my chosen profession--I would read it.

Dag,

What? Nothing but that mild little protest? Are we right, or something, for once?

Forty seventh sign of the apocalypse:
...and the left shall be right...

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I've given up, not because I think you're right but because these conversations are starting out more and more hostile (witness the NYC thread).

It's not worth my time - I know who I'm voting for, I know who you're voting for.

Dagonee

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But I cannot understand why........
I can think of several reasons not to...

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If Bush can weather this storm, he will get his second term (unless something terrible happens in Iraq in the next few months).

There are three things that can hurt Bush:

1. His war record - the Swiftvet ads has successfully turned the Vietnam issue against Kerry.

2. The economy - the census data was somewhat damaging. But since it was released in the middle of the Swiftvet debate, its importance was somewhat obscured.

Which leaves us with:

3. Mistakes in Iraq - Bush is going to admit that some mistakes were made and ask Kerry to specificy exactly what he would've done differently, something Kerry has not been able to succesfully articulate.

Say what you will about Bush, the man runs a winning campaign. [Big Grin]

edited: for spelling.

[ August 27, 2004, 11:15 PM: Message edited by: Beren One Hand ]

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beverly
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I do like it when a leader can admit a mistake.

[ August 27, 2004, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]

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Beren One Hand
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I agree. By admitting his mistakes, Bush can now go on the offensive on the Iraq issue.
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It would have been better if he had done that last year...
Then there are other mistakes he should address...

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beverly
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Yeah, he really should have made this admission quite awhile ago.
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Jeb may not be in the cabinet, but he IS the reason Bush "got elected" in the first palce, so I would think he counts.

Not that I read the link, but.... [Big Grin]

I don't think the swiftvet ads have really hurt Kerry, not at all. All they have done really is convince people that were going to vote for Bush to ...well, vote for Bush...

Kwea

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Beren One Hand
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Well, here's something to cheer you up Dag:

CNN projects that Bush now leads in Electoral College Vote

And this is BEFORE the convention bounce. OK, maybe Kerry can catch up once the debate starts, but I personally don't think Kerry will win the debates.

Bush answers questions in a very straightforward manner: "They are evil, we destroy evil, that is the American way."

Kerry answers questions like a lawyer: "If evil is defined as X, and we find evil undesirable, and our enemies fits the definition of evil...."

The Democrats are in big trouble.

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Beren, I've noticed that as well. Mr. Opera and I just had a discussion about it the other day. Bush appears (at least in his speaking style) to be a "common" American, which is appealing to a lot of people. Kerry, on the other hand, uses language and phrasing that's not so easily understood, which causes those same people to mistrust him.

space opera

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Fascinating observation about their different styles. I had not thought of that. I feel like a spectator just sittin' back and wondering who will win.
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Kerry is more... articulate.

Also-
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But he insisted that the 17-month-long insurgency was the unintended by-product of a “swift victory” against Saddam Hussein’s military, the Times reported.


But was it really a "swift victory"? Just what are the insurgents in the first place? [Confused]

[ August 28, 2004, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: Synesthesia ]

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In a culture dominated by ten-second sound bites, being too articulated might get you into trouble. [Wink]
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No doubt that Bush is awkward with words. But the previous posts make me think that this may be endearing to some. I am not too bothered by his word-tripping. Though it is freakin' hilarious at times.

I am one who thinks Dan Quayle got totally shortchanged with all the ridicule. He is one cool duckie. People never gave him a chance. [Frown]

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I love Bush Senior's spin on this subject:

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I may not be the most eloquent, but I learned early that eloquence won't draw oil from the ground. I may sometimes be a little awkward, but there's nothing self-conscious in my love of country.

I am a quiet man - but I hear the quiet people others don't. The ones who raise the family, pay the taxes, meet the mortgage. I hear them and I am moved, and their concerns are mine.

1998 RNC Convention


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