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StarLisa I’ve been trying to stay out of this thread but your latest defence is one two many and I’m jumping in. Getting a speeding ticket for most people would be a warning that they are driving too fast. I would never consider not paying a fine I was given, I’d be ashamed, I might not tell people about it, but I’d make sure I’d pay it.
The fact that you decided you could avoid it is what makes me concerned. The ticking a box on a form is just a red herring, I accept you didn’t know you were suspended, but you have spent a long time knowing you broke the law, got caught and tried to get away with it. Nothing you have said makes me think you would think twice about breaking traffic laws now. That is what would make me wonder if you were quite as good as a public road driver (which means safe to me, not able to complete a racing circuit well, which is a different kind of good driver) as you claim.
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As for your ideas for new laws for license suspension...
Speaking as someone who drove for a considerable amount of time with a suspended one, I don't think they may have had any effect.
A thirty day suspension would have been just as impossible to obey as a six month one. It simply wasn't an option not to drive, for the reasons I listed above. Nothing short of the death penalty could have deterred me. As melodramatic as it may sound, it was either drive, or die.
Harsher punishments may have influenced me into paying the tickets on time in the first place, but I don't see how they would effect me once I recieved the suspension.
Driving may not be a "right", but in certain parts of the country, and under certain circumstances, its a necessity.
Edit: Though I don't claim that it is for starLisa, not knowing anything her or her situation.
And also, let me add, that I am not denying that you are giving starLisa good advice. My advice to her would be the same. Thats not the part of your posts I took issue with .
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Bob, I type slow...my last response was written before you posted, sorry about that, I didn't mean to beat a dead horse.
I think Bob has cleared up what I objected to, and apologized for his sue of rhetoric where it may have been a little over the line....
And I do respect his ideas, as he is one of the people who is charged with dealing with the data that these accidents cause.
I still think that she may have had a case against the suspension for perjury, but overall I think the problem was more than just a wrongly checked box.
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Given all we have to go on are the groups we can place her in and her own protestations, starLisa is more likely to be a worse driver. Or, more accurately, we have a higher confidence that starLisa is a worse driver.
Until we see evidence to the otherwise, she remains an unmeasured sample, with all that implies about confidence based on group membership.
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quote:That's nuts. I don't need permission to walk down the street, and I don't need permission to operate my own vehicle. The fact that they've labeled it a "privilege" doesn't make it so.
You are simply dead wrong. Driving a car on the public roads is a privilege not a right and there are good reasons for that. The car maybe yours, but the roads belong to all of us. An automobile is a deadly weapon and if you don't operated it responsibly, you severly endanger the lives and property of the other users of the road. Because of that, we, as a society, have established certain standards which you must meet to receive the privilege of operating your car on the public roads.
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I know nothing about starlisa's driving skills. But she has told us that she has been driving without a license for a year. If she doen't have a license, then she isn't covered by insurance. For that reason alone it is irrisponsible for her to drive.
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Okay, starLisa now I'm going to type real slow.
Your license was not taken away because you didn't check a little box. It was taken away because you were speeding and didn't pay the ticket.
Had you either A) not been speeding or B) paid the ticket when you should have the little box would never have come up.
THAT is what we're trying (unsuccessfully it seems) to point out.
I absolutely, positively think you deserved to lose your license. Why? Because you deliberately broke the law by not paying a ticket and the only reason you did it was because you didn't think you'd get caught. Not exactly an admirable attitude you have there - the laws don't apply to you so long as you can't be punished and when the state tries to enforce its laws it's wrong because you're inconvenienced.
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You're quite right, you don't need permission to operate your own vehicle. You can drive without a license all you like on property you own or have permission to use (even implicit permission to use. note, though, that permission to use toll roads is dependent on possession of a drivers license).
Unfortunately for you, that does not include public roads. The Drivers License is somewhat misnamed; its really a Road license and Identification Card.
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You know, starLisa did say it was her father that told her not to pay it. I think we can safely say
1) don't take dumb advice even if it's from your parents 2) character flaws often are perpetuated from parents to children
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"you have spent a long time knowing you broke the law, got caught and tried to get away with it. "
She wasn't trying to get away with breaking the law at this point. Maybe when she thought she was never coming back (and I do think that was a mistake, but I'd like to know honestly, how many of you would do the same thing?) but not now. She stated very clearly that she paid the ticket as soon as she found out it was there. Seriously people, have you never done a stupid thing when you were younger? She made a mistake 17 years ago and did not pay her ticket. When they told her she had an unpaid speeding ticket, she paid it immediately! The only reason she is in trouble now is because she checked the wrong box on a form! This thread is getting ridiculous. Posts: 870 | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:Many people have laws that we choose more or less to ignore, LadyDove.
Rakeesh, sL wrote in another thread that love was no excuse for marrying outside the Jewish faith. She said something to the effect that if the Jewish person had been properly educated, he would never have fallen in love. To me, this indicates that she takes an "ignorance of the law is no excuse" approach to her beliefs.
If that is her approach, I can respect it as long as she uses it consistently rather than conveniently.
My problem isn't that she chose to ignore an outdated law, or that she didn't know that she had broken the law. My problem is that she is using two very different criteria; one for the person she responded to and another for herself.
It seems absurd to me that a person of sL's obvious intelligence would feel confident in condeming a person's choice of spouse because they fell in love instead of reading the law; while whining with righteous indignation for being caught trying to evade a law of which she had full knowledge.
Though I disagree with your take, I admire your loyalty to your perspective and sL."
Thanks, LadyDove.
People may think I am only defending her because I have stated before that I like her very much and think she is extremely intelligent and witty. (I'm not speaking of you, LD- it's just a general statement and your post made me think of it) I don't always agree with her-however, this time I think that most people are being way too hard on her. Seems more like glee at trying to take her down and it makes me sad.
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quote:Originally posted by Belle: Okay, starLisa now I'm going to type real slow.
Really slowly.
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Your license was not taken away because you didn't check a little box. It was taken away because you were speeding and didn't pay the ticket.
My right to go straight back to the Secretary of State facility and get a drivers license was suspended for a year because I marked the wrong box.
You want to argue with facts, fine. It just demonstrates that you're more interested in coming down on me now that I've given you the opportunity than being honest.
According to the Secretary of State, that's what the suspension was for.
quote:Originally posted by Belle: Had you either A) not been speeding or B) paid the ticket when you should have the little box would never have come up.
Had the automobile never been invented, I never would have been speeding. Are you seriously that dense? The box would still have been there on the form. I marked it as I did in good faith.
quote:Originally posted by Belle: THAT is what we're trying (unsuccessfully it seems) to point out.
No, Belle. It's what you're trying to claim. YOu can't point out something that isn't there. The people who suspended the license have a different view of why they did it.
This was not a delayed punishment for having exceeded the speed limit. That's an issue for the State of Missouri. Illinois isn't interested in why I was ticketed.
This was not a punishment for having blown off the ticket. They dealt with that when they suspended my license back in 1987. The only thing they suspended my license for was giving false information (despite the fact that I thought it was true) on that document.
They say that everyone is entitled to an opinion. That doesn't mean an opinion based on ignorance has any value. It does not.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I know nothing about starlisa's driving skills. But she has told us that she has been driving without a license for a year. If she doen't have a license, then she isn't covered by insurance. For that reason alone it is irrisponsible for her to drive.
I'm still covered by insurance. I mean, I haven't read the policy, and maybe it won't pay if I'm driving without a license. I don't know. But the fact that I've driven for 14 months without being pulled over once for anything suggests that maybe I'm a damn good driver.
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quote:Originally posted by Kettricken: StarLisa I’ve been trying to stay out of this thread but your latest defence is one two many and I’m jumping in. Getting a speeding ticket for most people would be a warning that they are driving too fast.
If I was in the habit of speeding, I assure you that I would have wound up in jail sometime over the last year. You want to bust on me for going 4 miles an hour over the posted speed limit on an interstate highway, with 95% of the vehicles passing me continuously? Fine, I hope it makes you feel good. But I intentionally set the cruise control to ensure that I would not rip down the highway.
So no, getting that ticket was no sort of warning to me. If the speedometer says I'm going 69, and I'm getting passed by everyone, I'm not going to suspect that I'm actually going 77. And I still have doubts about that radar reading.
quote:Originally posted by Kettricken: I would never consider not paying a fine I was given, I’d be ashamed, I might not tell people about it, but I’d make sure I’d pay it.
The fact that you decided you could avoid it is what makes me concerned. The ticking a box on a form is just a red herring, I accept you didn’t know you were suspended, but you have spent a long time knowing you broke the law, got caught and tried to get away with it.
Are you kidding me? I lived on the other side of the planet for a third of my life, and I assure you that I had completely forgotten about it within weeks of emigrating. I had plenty of other things to occupy my attention.
I strongly suspect that all the riders of high horses here, if faced with a ticket they thought was unjust that could only be contested by cancelling major life plans that would screw them up for years to come, and knew that they were going to be living in another country for the rest of their lives, would have done the same thing I did.
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I strongly suspect that all the riders of high horses here, if faced with a ticket they thought was unjust that could only be contested by cancelling major life plans that would screw them up for years to come, and knew that they were going to be living in another country for the rest of their lives, would have done the same thing I did.
Actually, in your situation, I would have just paid the ticket and gotten on with my life - exactly what I did when I got a parking ticket while visiting a foreign country to which I will not be returning for a very long time, if ever.
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sL, hate to break it to you, but if you get into an accident, even if it isn't your fault, you are not covered, and if anyone comes to harm you could be facing serious jail time. Not to mention possibly losing all your worldly good...as house if you have one, your car for sure, and whatever you may have saved up to this point.
Insurance can't by law cover anyone in the US (or rather they won't, as they had a hand in formulating the law), so you are automatically "at fault".
SO...we are all out to get you, and dislike you because of your unpopular views?
Bull$hit.
I wasn't involved in that thread...or those threads...not that I can remember. I could care less what you think about any of this other crap, what I am disputing is you attitude in here, about this issue.
You were in the wrong. Stop trying to blame others. It isn't the states fault, your families fault, your mothers cars fault, or the stupid forms fault. Nor the cops fault for pulling you over, even if you had been only going 4 MPH over...which you weren't.
It is yours.
All of this, every little bit of it, could have been avoided if you had had any sense of responsibility for your actions. THIS time you were suspended for lying, and to be honest after seeing your attitude about these issues I can't say they were wrong to do so, but the root cause of this was your irresponsibility and avoidance of a very small issue.
You felt like you didn't have to worry about it, because who cared, you were gone. The rules didn't apply to YOU, because you felt that you could outsmart the system...by speeding, protesting, and ignoring the possible consequences of your actions (or lack of action).
Guess what....it doesn't work like that.
Welcome to the real world.
All the dodging and placing blame doesn't change the fact that you deserved what happened, and whatever happens in the future you will deserve that too..although I am sure you would probably try and blame others for that as well.
After all, if they hadn't suspended you in the first place, none of this would have happened.
One way or another, I wish you luck getting it back, even if I don't agree with your "interpretation" of the events that caused you to lose it. I have been in a similar situation, and I know it sucks.
quote: All of this, every little bit of it, could have been avoided if you had had any sense of responsibility for your actions.
You know, guys, I'm distinctly uncomfortable with the way we're jumping on Lisa, here.
Yeah, she's full of pride. Yeah, she gets really defensive when called on inconsistencies, and yeah, it's hard to avoid pointing out inconsistencies to someone who is downright egotistical about the inflexibility of her worldview.
But she made a very minor bureaucratic mistake years ago when she thought she was leaving the country forever, and is facing some major consequences now as a result. Her decision to drive while suspended is regrettable, but I can certainly understand it; the initial suspension, again, is one of those quirks of fate that I suspect we'd be consoling any other poster about.
Cut her some slack, 'k? She's stiff-necked, but that doesn't mean she's calling out to our axes.
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quote:Her decision to drive while suspended is regrettable, but I can certainly understand it; the initial suspension, again, is one of those quirks of fate that I suspect we'd be consoling any other poster about.
Tom, I was thinking the same thing, but I believe that any other poster who had her attitudinal history would be getting the same treatment.
Please forgive me, but since you have such a strong personality, I was wondering what would have happened if you had made this post. But you wouldn't have. You have strong opinions about what others should do and you take responsibility for those things within your control. I concluded that you may whine about the baby keeping you up at night or Bush's policies, but you'd never whine about something as petty as being caught avoiding a traffic ticket.
Maybe it's the whole "glass houses" thing and she's walking to the bathroom naked.
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One more time, at least in my case this has nothing to do with any othe post or thread. It comes from my being in a similar situation years ago..although a worse situation to be honest, and one of my own making.
I use to say a lot of the same things about my situation, but none of it got any better until I began playing by the rules.
I hope it works out for her, I really do, but thinking you are above the rules is not a step in the right direction, IMO.
I understand why she is still driving, but I made the same choices and got called on it. More than once.
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Tom said : "...I suspect we'd be consoling any other poster about."
Thank you! I don't even think everyone would be consoling another poster but I do think there wouldn't be this level of hostility.
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I said I hoped she got it back. I said that she could get in a lot of trouble, and maybe lose everything, so I hope she would reconsider. I also said, more than once, that I hoped it would all work out for her, and even suggested that she try to overturn this particular part of the DMV's case.
If this is hostile then I guess I will remain so, because other than that I don't think she has much of a leg to stand on. She can complain, but it won't do any good, and won't address a lot of other isues at the root of this.
I know I came on strong, but that was because she came on so strong as well.
I also think that other posters might have been a little more willing to accept a little bit more of the blame, and that would have led to a lot more understanding on from the people here in this thread.
Whatever.
sL, good luck with this, and be as careful as you can, of course.
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1. I am still surprised that you are not a teenager. Teenagers are often scornful of authority, rejecting of self-responsibility, and so desperate to prove themselves that they deal with the people around them like bit players in their own heroic comic strip.
I don't even think it is a character flaw when teenagers do this, because they'll grow out of it. They are lacking accomplishments - of course they act like they have something to prove. They haven't proven anything yet. Even amazing teenagers are largely bundles of potential, and taking them seriously takes an act of faith. You remind of someone who is not being taken seriously, and so invents Downtrodden Hero stories.
You say you are not - that you are in your forties. I am not convinved.
2. She has been chastised. More words won't make a difference, and now it is just feeding her persecution myth. And making it less of a myth.
3. I have at least three tickets in my life that I have ignored completely. I know it's immature, and not remotely responsible. When I get caught, I'll accept the consequences. I ignored them because (1) I didn't have any cash earmarked to throw away, and (2) I get so tired of being so darn civilized all the time.
In my father's defence, he told me to pay them. The state is very good at catching minor offenses, and it's just not worth it to take a stand over such a minor thing. Use that fighting energy for good, instead.
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quote:Originally posted by Treason: It actually was not you I was thinking of when I wrote that.
I realized I may haev been jumping the gun on that...it is 3 am here, and I am tired.
Not that I didn't come on strong...I know I did. I just hoped I had also made it clear that while I thought she may hae deserved some of what happened I still hoped she would have it all work out OK.
On that note...a b flat, I think , I am off to bed.
quote: 1. I am still surprised that you are not a teenager. Teenagers are often scornful of authority, rejecting of self-responsibility, and so desperate to prove themselves that they deal with the people around them like bit players in their own heroic comic strip.
I don't even think it is a character flaw when teenagers do this, because they'll grow out of it. They are lacking accomplishments - of course they act like they have something to prove. They haven't proven anything yet. Even amazing teenagers are largely bundles of potential, and taking them seriously takes an act of faith.
Thanks for stereotyping my age group. It's much appreciated.
That is to say, yes, many teenagers have attitude issues. Yes, what you say is true moreso in teens than in other age groups. However, there are also many adults who have similar attidute problems. It's not only teenagers.
I think that this outlook on teenagers serves to perpetuate the stereotype and make it come true. Adults tend to not take teenagers seriously, which drives them to try to prove themselves all the more, and perpetuates this cycle. [/derail]
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Hmm... I'm annoyed more than frustrated, I think. The extent to which certain people are insisting that they know from a distance what my license was suspended for, despite the fact that the only thing they have to go on is my own posts (I could have been making the whole thing up, in theory) does irk me a lot.
On the other hand, I'm still in moderate and periodic pain from that elevator falling a month and a half ago, and a good brawl helps keep my mind off of it. <grin>
I used to go onto the soc.culture.jewish newsgroup, back before it was taken over completely by skinheads and missionaries and holocast deniers and other filth who probably couldn't pass the Turing test, and I'd argue points of view, some of which I've argued here as well.
I enjoy debating when the people I'm debating with are honest. Even if I disagree with them, I can respect that. Some of the people in this thread are extremely dishonest, and that makes me feel free to pull my punches a bit less.
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quote: I think that this outlook on teenagers serves to perpetuate the stereotype and make it come true. Adults tend to not take teenagers seriously, which drives them to try to prove themselves all the more, and perpetuates this cycle.
Someday you will come to the darkside, and your opinion will be as ours. Muhahaha!!!
All adults have been teens. Most have looked back with 20/20 vision and realized that inexperience made it impossible to fully understand certain things. There's an old saying when a child has personal tragedy or some profound experience, that it wisens them beyond their years, and they seem more "adult" than their peers.
On first glance, people will probably treat a teenager as less than an adult because the odds dictate that they probably aren't wrong in their assumption. But if you seem like you are full of enough sense and reason there's a good chance that you will gain the respect you want.
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quote:Originally posted by starLisa: ... I'm still in moderate and periodic pain from that elevator falling a month and a half ago, and a good brawl helps keep my mind off of it.
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I enjoy debating when the people I'm debating with are honest. Even if I disagree with them, I can respect that. Some of the people in this thread are extremely dishonest, and that makes me feel free to pull my punches a bit less.
As I expected.
I enjoy a heated debate, but not so much as a participant as a spectator. I've even been known to fan the flames a bit when things are dying down just so that people can sputter and get all self-righteous for my amusement.
I'm a little stinker, aren't I?
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Is it terrible that I want a little bit of chastisement and advice about what to do about my blown-off tickets? I would sort of like to take care of them, but I just spent my first child's inheritance in Spain. Translation: no money, not kidding. I don't suppose they ever have amnesty programs, like the library?
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Do you remember where they were from? And how much they were? I'd set aside money from each paycheck to pay them off top priority when you get back. At this point, there's not much else you can do. You might find out, when you send in money, that there are additional interest charges and/or late fees.
And I do think that, like starLisa, you should have paid them in the first place. And that if there are now additional consequences because you did not, you should accept them with good grace.
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One I know - I still have some paper for it. I think there are more, and almost surely from Texas, but they are from years ago now, and I don't know what city. Cities. I am not even sure they exist - there's just sort of a feeling of unfinished business that arises when I think about it.
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Well, then start with the one you know. Then I bet there's a web site that'll search for the others for you.
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I'm a born-again Hatracker, so I'm not particularly sure who Lisa is or what she's done to merit this kind of antagonism -- but I do remember that we're better than this.
She made a mistake, and not a particularly consequential one to my eyes. Yeah, she needs to take care of it, and yeah, the responsibility's hers, but does it really deserve the quiet fury represented in half the responses here?
I'm sure she's annoyed most of you with conservative orthodoxy, but it's not as though others -- including myself -- haven't been giant pains in our collective ass when it comes to political disagreements. Let go, kids.
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I still like the idea of an amnesty program. Criminals cut deals all the time by offering to give themselves up. I'd love to do the same.
I think this is what my dad meant by the small offenders being toasted. There is more bueracracy than a human face of justice, and bueracracy is inexorable.
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A cavalier attitude toward a an unpaid speeding ticket deserves this level of hostility? Or is it finding humor in the labyrinth of bureaucracy she has to find her way through to get her driver's license back?
I was just scanning the "Changeable God" thread and I'm reading some of her religious views. I disagree, emphatically, but orthodoxy's nothing new -- and nothing worth lowering my esteem of some of Hatrack's best for the sake of petty snarkiness. I say again, let go, kids. You're better than this.
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In defense of my attackers, I am arrogant and opinionated, at least in areas where I feel justified in being arrogant and opinionated.
I don't particularly think that arrogance is a bad thing, if you really do know what you're talking about, but in my experience, it can rub certain people the wrong way. Particularly those who are used to having better rhetorical skills than most of the people they come across.
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quote:Originally posted by Lalo: A cavalier attitude toward a an unpaid speeding ticket deserves this level of hostility? Or is it finding humor in the labyrinth of bureaucracy she has to find her way through to get her driver's license back?
I was just scanning the "Changeable God" thread and I'm reading some of her religious views. I disagree, emphatically, but orthodoxy's nothing new -- and nothing worth lowering my esteem of some of Hatrack's best for the sake of petty snarkiness. I say again, let go, kids. You're better than this.
Lalo...please stop calling me kid.
One thing hasn't changed at all...we all still have our opinions, regardless of your opinions of them, and are not likely to respond well to patronizing.
I had a bigger problem with her refusal to accept that society had a right to restrict who drives based on actual statistical dadt than I had with what happened with the ticket...and with her idea that she wasn't to blame, really.
She clarified, and she is doing what she can to fix it now, so it is all good.
As long as she realizes that she is humped if she gets caught again, and if she does it is no ones fault but her own. All the complaining in the world won't change that, not one bit.
As far as her other vies, I am sure I will run into them at some point, and if I have a problem with them I will handle it then....but her attitude in other thread had nothing to do with my stance in this one. I ahve no idea if that is the truth for others here....but unlike you, I have confidence in their ability to distinguish between reasonable arguments and unreasonable ones.
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Kat...check with the states you lived in, and tell them why...if they don't have a record of it then there is no record...they don't exist. All unpaid tickets go tot eh State DMV for suspensions...if they aren't paid all admin action has to go through that.
Just tell them you want to make sure...don't call your states DMV, they could suspend you for having them if they found out.
If you have renewed your license lately there probably isn't anything on your record at this point. It would have come up at renewal, most likely.
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I didn't exactly say I like being arrogant. I said that I am, and that I don't see anything wrong with it in certain cases.
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quote:Originally posted by Kwea: akt...check with the states you lived in, and tell them why...if they don't ahve a record of it then there is no record...they don't exist. All unpaid tickets go tot eh State DMV for suspensions...if they aren't paid all admin action has to go through that.
Just tell them you want to make sure...son't call your states DMV, they could suspend you for having them if they found out.
I'm curious, Kwea. Why do you think that would be a bad thing? The impression I've gotten here is that most people seem to feel that if you have an unpaid ticket, you should have your license suspended. Even if you're willing to pay now.
Or is it just me that deserves that?
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No, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. It sucks. Now if there was another, better reason for a suspension, that is a different story.
However, if Kat said that her license had been suspended for this, and it was the states fault, or her cars fault, and that the state didn't have the right to do this anyway, then I would tell her to buck up and deal...just like I did with you.
It wasn't just what happened to you, sL, it was what I thought was your entire attitude about it.
Once you explained that you were "just" being sarcastic about your comments about your mom and dad, I felt a little better about it.
But you still didn't have a leg to stand on saying it wasn't "really" your fault.
Sarcasm is hard to distinguish on line at times, and I had no real idea how old you were...and I have heard a lot of people here at Hatrack blame all sorts of other people for a lot of things that were really their fault, so I wasn't sure when you did it that it was sarcasm...I could tell it was sarcastic, at least a bit, but I thought you really blamed them.
My bad.
If you had managed to pay before getting caught up with the rest of this, and it worked out to your benefit, I would have been glad, although i would probably asked you if you knew how lucky you were. A lot of people don't realize that this crap can really mess you up...so at the very least, anyone reading this can't say they didn't know. Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001
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And that if there are now additional consequences because you did not, you should accept them with good grace.
