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Posted by Elizdo (Member # 10421) on :
 
Hello,

I'm researching examples of "dealing with the devil" for a book for business people. (Somehow seems relevant )

I seem to recall a short story by OSC where an arrogant young man believes he is so virtuous that, had he been in the Garden of Eden, Man would never have fallen.

Does that ring any bells for anyone?

Thanks.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
I vaguely recall hearing that another story in the Pastwatch universe would deal with "Eden" like Pastwatch dealt with Noah and the flood.
 

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Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
I thought the next Pastwatch book was supposed to be based more on The Flood. Wasn't that the point? The first one was about Christopher Columbus with the inclusion of the original short story "Atlantis" that contained some brief information about Noah and the flood.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
"Atlantis" is the short story that preceded Pastwatch and goes into far more detail about Noah/Gilgamesh and the flood/Atlantis.
 

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Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 
Isn't it included in one of the chapters in the first Pastwatch book? Chapter six, maybe? I don't have my copy on hand.

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I think it's the chapter that introduces us to Kemal (I think that's his name...) ?

Edit Again: Maybe not the whole story, but I think part of it is in there for sure. So, there's a little info. I think The Flood is supposed to be the second book. The Flood was a projected prequel/sequel to the first novel. I think. Which would then be followed by, tentatively titled, Pastwatch: The Garden. Or something along those lines. I think OSC posts about it on here somewhere. I'll look for it.

[ April 10, 2007, 10:22 PM: Message edited by: SteveRogers ]
 

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Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 

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The Pastwatch books aren't a series like the others, because the first Pastwatch DID the "change the past" thing, and given the rules of the universe there, it UNDID Pastwatch. So there can't be sequels - only prequels!

The Flood story is already complete before the beginning of Redemption of Columbus; and the Garden of Eden story will take place (that is, the Pastwatch part of it) WHILE the Columbus expedition is being prepared, so that the things they learn are NOT included in the summation of human knowledge that they take with them into the past.

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Isn't it included in one of the chapters in the first Pastwatch book? Chapter six, maybe? I don't have my copy on hand.

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an arrogant young man believes he is so virtuous that, had he been in the Garden of Eden, Man would never have fallen.

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Sure sounds like something Abner Doon would believe.
 

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Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Oh, you don't even want to go there.

Abner Doon is one of my favorite characters.
 

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Posted by vonk (Member # 9027) on :
 
... and his modesty and constant displays of humility are most honorable... oh wait...
 

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Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
 
Sounds like Camelot to me, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't one of the plays that OSC wrote.
 

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Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
 

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Originally posted by kacard:
Worthing Saga may be what you are thinking of.

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Originally posted by SteveRogers:

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Originally posted by kacard:
Worthing Saga may be what you are thinking of.

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No, I'm just wrong. I havne't read that one yet. I keep going to bookstores, and they don't copies of it in very good shape. It always seems like the binding is not well done whenever I look. So, I haven't read that one.

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