Hello, I am new to these forums. Just found out about them not to long ago from a friend.
Anyway, I just finished the reading the shadow series for the first time (loved it by the way), and I notice in "Shadow of the Hegemon" when Bean takes off after first meeting Peter, he ends up at the Wiggin's house. When Peter's mother come out he asks if that was the house where Ender grew up.
My question is this. Didn't the Wiggin family move there some time after Ender had left for battle school? I seem to remember reading that in Ender's Game. Its been a long time since I have read that and I don't have a copy, so I don't know maybe I'm not remembering right.
Anyway, thanks to anyone that can clear this up for me.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
Yes, they did, but I think his mom mentioned that.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I don't think that she *did* mention it. In fact, I thought the same thing when I read it, but didn't bother mentioning it because of course there will be continuity errors between books written many years apart. It isn't a major one, anyway.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
I thought that that mistake was only present in the 1st edition hardcovers, and is corrected in the paperbacks. Unless you're reading a hardcover, Mrs. Wiggin did in fact mention it.
*edit* Actually, it was Sister Carlotta who mentioned it: corrections Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I guess the audioversion is based on the original hardcover.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
I always thought it was odd though, that they were living in "tunnels" in Ender's Game but no one ever mentions tunnel dwelling in earth cities anywhere in the shadow series.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
They were living in tunnels? On Earth?
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I think you confused Earth and the Formic tunnels on Eros.
Posted by BlueWizard (Member # 9389) on :
Here's the thing, while it may be true that Ender's family moved to Greensboro, N.C. while Ender was in Battle School, how and why would Bean know that. As is pointed out in both series, kids don't talk about home very much. I suspect it's a little too painful, so they concentrate on the moment.
So, Bean suspects this is Ender's Family's home, and asked a reasonable question. While it may not have truly been the House Ender grew up in, it was certainly the home he grew up in; if you know what I mean.
Given the character's knowledge, I don't see that as a continuity error.
But that's just my opinion.
Steve/BlueWizard
Posted by B34N (Member # 9597) on :
This thread is so very confusing, regardless if you think about it for second, Ender was a huge hero and there would be a lot of published information on him via the nets and the news. So is it unreasonable to assume that Bean found out about the move from those sources???
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
In Ender's game it mentions that they lived in tunnels in the city twice. At first when ender is getting out of school, and then when Valentine laments about ender not being able to find them when he gets out of battleschool. Dink also talks about learning to dribble in... the word there might be corridors, but it definitely seemed to imply an undergroud city of sorts.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Do you have a page reference or quotation? I did a search on the word "tunnel" in the text and I only came up with passages referring to Bugger cities or the fantasy game. Nothing about cities on Earth.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
I don't even know where my Ender's game book IS at the moment. However, I've read it probably close to a dozen times. It may not be the word "tunnel" precisely. However, like I said, they first mention it like right around the time that Ender gets into the fight with Stilson. The other two times are when Valentine is building a birthday fire for Ender, and when Ender is talking to Dink about basketball.
Posted by talsmitde (Member # 9780) on :
Yeah, I remember those references too. I'm pretty sure Stilson was waiting for Ender in the tunnel, and Valentine thought about how they moved out of the city to Greensboro for Peter's sake so he could enjoy nature. But, alas, I don't have a copy here at school.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
Upon closer inspection I see that there are a number of references to "corridors".
ie.
"He turned a corner into the corridor leading to the bus stop."
"When kids played in the corridors, whole troops of them, the buggers never won, and sometimes the games got mean."
"How would Ender find them here, among these trees, under this changeable and heavy sky? He had lived deep in corridors all his life, and if he was still in the Battle School, there was less of nature there."
and of course, there are many references to the corridors in Battle School. It seems somewhat vague seeing as how the word "corridor" often means a hallway in a building rather than a tunnel, which is what I took it to mean in these lines. I just assumed that the city is so urbanized that almost everything is indoors. It never occurred to me that it could actually be underground.
Posted by Mix-up (Member # 9512) on :
I had always thought that the word "corridors" was a stylized way of saying that the city was huge, the buildings were tall, and it was all very very urban and mechanized and almost machine-like, and I'm going on and on.
Anyway, I imagined the "corridors" as allys, only with lots of steel instead of lots of brick.
Posted by DDDaysh (Member # 9499) on :
well, it was the "deep in corridors" and the fact that the bus was in the corridor, and the description of how he got into the "flat" that led me to believe that everything was indoors, though maybe not underground, I dunno.
Posted by Sibyl (Member # 10079) on :
There were some changes in the world between the various versions of "Ender's Game". In the original novella, as reprinted in "First Meetings in the Ender Universe", Ender didn't remember anything of Earth, had lived in the Battle School as far back as his memory went.
Then the paperback novel "Ender's Game" that I have is called "Author's Definitive Edition", and it's a new copyright 1991. He says as an excuse for writing the new introduction to this edition (the hardcover of which mine is the paperback, actually), "....(something besides the minor changes as I fix the errors and internal contradictions and stylistic excesses that have bothered me ever since the novel first appeared)...."
Sibyl
Posted by cmc (Member # 9549) on :
This isn't necessarily related to the thread - but it's related to the topic so I'm going for it.
I've been resisting reading the Shadow series for a while. I guess I just don't want it to end or something... I used some of a Christmas gift giftcard to Barnes & Noble to pick up Shadow of the Hegemon a little over a week ago and today I picked up Shadow Puppets (glad I read the afterword or I would have really jumped right into Shadow of the Giant) and Shadow of the Giant.
The reason for my post... I got Shadow of the Giant, hardcover, for about six dollars!! Andrew, the nice guy working... who when I called to order the two because when I was there last the woman told me I'd have to order them... told me that they not only had both, but there was some sort of publisher over-stock or something on the hard cover of Shadow of the Giant. He held them at the front for me until I could get there after work.
Score two for Caitlin! Book I really want in hardcover at a great price AND the best Valentine's Day gift I could have asked for!!!
Posted by Maliam (Member # 9915) on :
Ya I also get the impresion that the major citys expecilay but even to a degree the smaller ones are majorly urban. At one point when Bean and Sister Carlotta arrive in Greensbro they have a discusion about how the inclosed bus system has to go around the rich part of town. so I get the impresion that while you can go outside and may have to in some of the poorer parts of the town, you can also go through whole sections of it without ever steping out of a corridor. So if that was the case in Greesbro then in a bigger city (which ever unnamed city they moved from) it would be like that only more so, so that a person could live there whole life on earth and never see the sun except through a window.
Posted by Survivor (Member # 233) on :
There are already places where people can do that...and since the sun is only up during the day, I guess you could do it most places. Otherwise the whole vampire mythology would make even less sense.
Posted by Geekmike (Member # 10235) on :
If I remember right, the first time that Bean meets the Wiggins, Mrs. Wiggin mistakes him for a sightsee er and to drive him away tells him that Ender didn't grow up there, but bean had already known that.
Posted by Chord (Member # 10122) on :
This isn't on the topic, but I just finished reading Shadow of the Giant for the first time and had a question.
**----Spoilers----**
At the end, it says that Petra has 10 children (5 of Bean's and 5 of Peter's). This means that they never recovered the last of children (the one with Randi). The last I read of the child, Randi was trying to get onto a colony ship. Since the baby had Anton's Key, wouldn't it have been found out in the 40 to 50 years since it would have left the planet? (even if ColMin hadn't realized the child's condition)
**----End Spoilers----**
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Being on a colony ship, the irregular growth of the child might not have been noticed yet, or the ship's doctor might not have been aware enough to make the connection. Remember that stunt Novihna pulled with Marcao's condition.