I am writing a novel, and I plan on putting a small line in one of the passages about the protagonist. She is reading a book on her way to Earth, and I want that book to be Ender's Game.
Now, I'm not sure how this works, since I am an extreme novice. I have no published works, or works at all, for that matter. This is my first undertaking. Basically, I would like the passage to read something to the effect of:
In route to Earth, Den was re-reading a book by one of the late 20th's greatest authors. "I can't even count how many times I've read Ender's Game, I love this book." She hadn't noticed that she said this out loud, and had attracted the attention of a passenger in the next row"
Anyway, I would like it to read something like that, and I was wondering if I could have your permission to do this. I don't ever plan on even trying to publish this, as I doubt I'll get it done in the next few millenia. I just don't want to do something without permission, so here is my request.
May I use your name, and the name of your book in my story? If this is unacceptable, I completely understand.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
That's rather nice of you. You don't even need his permission, as I understand it. But the fact that you'd ask is really wonderful.
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
Yep, you don't need permission. Go for it Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
I would be amused if Mr. Card had responded, not by answering your question, but by improving the quality of the excerpt you showed.
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
You know, it's funny.. I looked back at my post, and I didn't remember typing a request for any rude comments with attempted (and failed) sarcasm on what I wrote.
That's most likely because I didn't.
Posted by Lanfear (Member # 7776) on :
Simmer down Bee. It was funny. And i dont think it was failed sarcasm. But you don't have to flame him for being funny
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Oh alright. I'll flame him for being an ass then. Better? Thanks.
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
That's really uncalled for, Punjabee. Which is more hurtful -- his trying to be funny and maybe falling short, or your trying to be mean and succeeding?
Posted by Jiminy (Member # 7917) on :
The morals in this thread are pretty frighteningly skewed. Gosu WAS being an ass. The guy just took an open jab at the Punjabee's writing, and Punjabee is the bad guy when he gets a bit defensive? I probably would've told Gosu to go climb into an exhaust pipe, so I guess it's a good thing it wasn't me, eh?
Posted by TheDisgruntledPostman (Member # 7200) on :
haha, punjabee, not laughing what you said but your name. Me and my friends have an inside joke with the name punjabbe. But as i see it, no permission is needed. It's just a school papper, the copy right police arn't going to beat you up for it.
Posted by TheClone (Member # 6141) on :
Maybe it's just me, but I took Gosu's comments not as an attack on Punjabee but rather as a compliment to OSC.
However, I can see how you might perceive it that way.
Posted by ShadowPuppet (Member # 8239) on :
people these days are so hostile...
Posted by Papa Moose (Member # 1992) on :
My concern wasn't with Punjabee being defensive. Mine was with Punjabee being offensive.
I think Gosu's post was ill-advised, but I didn't think it mean-spirited. And I think Punjabee's first reply, while harsher than I might have been (not necessarily, though, depending on my mood), was a reasonable reponse to an unkind comment. I thought the second, more harsh comment to Gosu based on a comment [i]from someone else[i/] was unnecessary.
I hope it's clear I hold no ill will toward anyone on this thread.
Well, maybe Tom.
--Pop
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
Disgruntled Postman:
Actually it's not a school paper, heh. I've been out of school for some time.
edit: Oops. Forgot to mention: thanks to those who answered my question on here, specifically kacard.
Posted by Carl Conrad Coreander (Member # 7851) on :
PUNJABEE: If it's not being published then I don't see why you would need permission, especially if you're saying right then and there who wrote the book it's from.
Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
Oh my God.
People, I was NOT trying to be offensive at all. It was a joke. And I was not criticizing Punjabee's writing in any form whatsoever.
Punjabee, I'm sorry if my post seemed offensive; I had no intention of it seeming so.
Posted by Gosu (Member # 5783) on :
But I mean, come on, is the image of what I said not funny?
Imagine if I came up to OSC and asked him the question Punjabee asked. I sit down with him and say,
Me: O.K. well the part where I was going to use the book title was this... OSC: Now wait a second, you're going to have to work on your characterization here. Or at least some plot. Me: There are no characters or plot involved here. OSC: That's the problem. Me: Don't worry, there'll be plenty of that stuff readers react to at an emotional level. You know, the screaming, crying, laughing. OSC: We're not writing error messages for Microsoft here. Me: No, sir. OSC: Good, because only they can plan so exactly for the emotions their readers will have.
Etc.
By the way, if you're serious about writing your going to have to take some harsh criticism--stuff far worse than what you might have interpreted my post to be. This I am not joking about.
Posted by Jiminy (Member # 7917) on :
See, if you had said THAT, then it WOULD have been funny. I actually laughed at that. But the original post gave off a very strong "the writing sucks, so maybe you should be asking for more important things, you simpleton" sort of vibe. It was the words "improve" and "quality" used in the way they were, I think.
But it's cool, you've redeemed yourself with that little dialogue.
Posted by socal_chic (Member # 7803) on :
It really didn't seem like PUNJABEE was asking for any writing help at all...it was a simple question requiring a simple answer....no need for rude jabs...i mean constructive criticism maybe but just being rude...?
Posted by Will B (Member # 7931) on :
When I read, "I would be amused if Mr. Card had responded, not by answering your question, but by improving the quality of the excerpt you showed," my thought was: wouldn't that be great? Free critique from a master writer and critiquer, who runs an annual seminar for aspiring writers, a seminar that gets rave reviews.
Many of us here are writers, I think, and the idea that our words might need improvement is all too familiar! Sorry Punjabee's feelings were hurt. Let's just do a reboot on this thread, in terms of offense.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
quote: Me: Don't worry, there'll be plenty of that stuff readers react to at an emotional level. You know, the screaming, crying, laughing. OSC: We're not writing error messages for Microsoft here. Me: No, sir.
Now, THAT was funny.
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
No permission is needed for this kind of thing. Allusions are fair game for anyone. And, of course, I'm flattered to death. (What a lovely way to go.)
Meanwhile, we do try on Hatrack to assume that everybody means everything in the nicest possible way.
This is why I haven't already killed myself over some of the things people say about ME here ...
Posted by PUNJABEE (Member # 7359) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gosu: Oh my God.
People, I was NOT trying to be offensive at all. It was a joke. And I was not criticizing Punjabee's writing in any form whatsoever.
Punjabee, I'm sorry if my post seemed offensive; I had no intention of it seeming so.
Accepted. Sorry I flew off the handle, I just thought you were trying to be rude.
Mr. Card, thanks for the OK, even though it was apparently not needed. Maybe if I ever finish it I'll post it somewhere so people can read it.
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But the fact that you'd ask is really wonderful.
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