I haven't read the First Meetings in the Enderverse but I think that there should be some stories about the First two Bugger Wars and maybe even stories from the ships that ender commanded in EG just an idea... i wanna be a writer so my ideas just go everywhere, and i figure OSC's got the rights so im gonna throw up my ideas to him.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
First off T.J. welcome to the board. Your comments are very stirring and insightful, unlike other 'newbies' on the board.
Thanks Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Have any Enderverse short stories, written by Hatrackers, been posted in this forum?
Seems like the perfect chance to play in someone else's universe.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
That's not allowed, skillery, since all of OSC's characters and books are copyrighted by him.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Copyright skillery, copyright.
It's not nice to play in other's sand boxes.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Yet here we are playing in the sandbox.
Don't the Card's own these here words we're writing to each other?
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Wow, you've got a lot to learn about copyright skillery.
When I say 'sand box,' I mean what you said as 'universe.'
Just please don't start posting stories about the Enderverse on the forum. That would be very detrimental to you.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Here's the tip of the iceberg skillery:
If you submit a work on this website without permission and it is allowed to stay for an undetermined amount of time. It (in the worst case) would mean that you could sue the pants off of Hatrack River Enterprises Inc (for owning the website), Infopop Corporation (for hosting the website), Orson Scott Card (for having this be his official website), and Kathryn H Janitor's real persona (for not finding it and removing it.) At the same time, each of them could counter-sue you for malicious intent. Without saying, the situation would be very bad for all included. It would no doubt in turn, shut down the forum part of the website, which would have everyone blaming you for it.
Also, every character, made up place, and situation that deals with any aspect of his books are copyrighted to Orson Scott Card. Use of that material without permission is strictly prohibited. Please don't do it.
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Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
I'm not much of a writer anyway.
Now I'm wondering if such a play area could be created: you enter the play area, and you sign away the rights to whatever you create there to OSC.
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Copyright-infringing post found and deleted.
Thanks for the warning.
Wish I were in 7th grade again, where you get to write alternate endings and stuff for other people's stories.
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
well all this is great but it still hardly answers my question HAVE THEY BEEN WRITTEN? and if they havent WHY NOT!? and u really cant say copyright fifty billion times unless you ask the man himself, and if you did get permission its red tape everywhere to C.Y.A. im just suggesting... i could write them and not publish and only my friends would know and if some one did know outside them and no one could do anything cause i'd have to make money, but im not that kind of person i'd give OSC my writing and let him make all the money, i still got plenty of non-infringing ideas to make me a pretty penny
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
ok my dad just corrected me on something i cant write it unless i do have his permission but it is true that if i did write it and told only my friends it wouldnt really matter. so any lawers im not going to write them unless i have documented permission from Mr. Card
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
He's already stated SEVERAL times that he's very much against it. I'll see if I can dredge up a link.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote:Question How do you feel about your fans writing "fanfiction" using characters that are already established by you (e.g, Ender, Valetine, etc.)?
OSC Answers I'm flattered; and then, if they try to publish it (including on the net) except in very restricted circumstances, I will sue, because if I do NOT act vigorously to protect my copyright, I will lose that copyright -- and that is the only inheritance I have to leave my family. So fan fiction, while flattering, is also an attack on my means of livelihood. It is also a poor substitute for the writers' inventing their own characters and situations. It does not help them as writers; it can easily harm me; and those who care about my stories and characters know that what I write is "real" and has authority, and what fans write is not and does not. So it's all pointless. I'd prefer simply to ignore it when it happens, but the way copyright law functions, I am told that I cannot ignore it. So there it is.
[ March 03, 2004, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]
Posted by skillery (Member # 6209) on :
Virtual Battle School
Cool!
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
quote: You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.
This is from the Disclaimer that you should have read when you were getting your screen-name.
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
The four stories in First Meetings are: Polish Boy, which is about Ender's father when he was little Teacher's Pest, which is about how Ender's parents met Ender's Game, the original novella Investment Counselor, which is about how Ender met Jane
[ March 03, 2004, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: MidnightBlue ]
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
yeah yeah i went and did my research i know that i was wrong and i apologize to any people that were offended or harmed
Posted by delicate flower (Member # 6260) on :
I could be wrong, but isn't it true that copyrights are only good for 50 years? So that in the 2030's anyone and their brother can write about Ender. Not that anyone should, but that's my understanding.
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
I believe it is the life of the author plus 75 years.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Copyrights can be renewed. And the clock doesn't start ticking until the author's death, I believe. And only then if the estate doesn't act.
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
so what about literary allusion, is that against the law?
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Of course not.
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
i knew it was for public domain. but i wasnt sure about it for copyrighted material. but better safe than sorry huh?
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Just keep in mind that Allusion is making a reference to a work - not playing on a concept.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
If kacard's still reading this, I was wondering how an author felt about the time after death being changed to 75 years (yea, I know it was a while ago, I didn't find out until I read Asimov's autobiography). I know a lot of nonwriter people are upset by it, does an author have a different perspective?
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
Don't know that the author cares that much either way -- now the author's heirs might be a different story
[ March 04, 2004, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: kacard ]
Posted by BattleSchooler06 (Member # 6279) on :
is it possible to buy a copyright law forever? and just have his family keep watch for anything that resembles anything he wrote? lol that would keep everyone in shape to know that no time in their lifetime can they write or copy anything that OSC did...i wonder how much that would cost?
EDIT: didnt want to make another post...lol...skillery i believe u said in one of ur other posts (at the top) that u wish u were in 7th grade so u could write alternate endings....nothing is really stopping you from WRITING them...you just cant publish them on the internet and show them to anybody! (makes ya feel good dont it?)
PS. Im in 8th grade and we are still writing altermate endings to books....Great Expectations...Shakesphere...so annoying school is....
[ March 05, 2004, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: BattleSchooler06 ]
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
I never got to write alternate endings to anything! After 6th grade we stopped writing anything that wasn't a persuasive essay! I think I get to take a creative writing class next year though. (I'm in 11th grade now.)
Posted by alath (Member # 6150) on :
I'm in eighth grade too and we don't write alternate endings. Actually, I don't think we ever wrote them in school.
Posted by pwiscombe (Member # 181) on :
quote:I believe it is the life of the author plus 75 years.
That's the current standing. But as we get closer to December 15, 2041 I'm sure that length of the copyright will get more time tacked on to it.
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
how do you know when OSC will die and plus he's giving the rights to his children, that means royalties for them they'll prolly buy an extra lifetime. Or at least they should seems like a smart thing to me
Posted by pwiscombe (Member # 181) on :
December 15 2041 has nothing to do with when (if?) OSC will pass on to the great Battle School in the Sky.
It is 75 years from the death of Walt Disney. Mickey Mouse wil NEVER be allowed to enter into the public domain.
My prophetic skills aren't quite that good yet.
Posted by kacard (Member # 200) on :
Interesting article on recent copyright law. Disney will indeed lose control of Mickey Mouse some day . . . copyright law Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
Hey Kristine. Can I write stories about Endor under the pen name Orsen Scot Carde and get them published, or will Scott be mad?
PS These fanfic threads that pop up periodically crack me up.
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After 6th grade we stopped writing anything that wasn't a persuasive essay! I think I get to take a creative writing class next year though. (I'm in 11th grade now.)
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