Maybe if we start a post with whom we think should play the parts of the characters one of the ppl involved with the movis might read it and use it as a guide even if not all characters are who we thought they should be in opinion it might help them with deciding who should play who. As for now i only have one suggestion and that is that Morgan Freeman should play in it one way or another as of the moment i think he would play a good Colonel Graff and as i think of more ill post em on here and see what you all think and feel free for your own opinions as well im sure the developers wouldnt mind a little help from the fans since we undoubtedly will be the target viewers of the film...
Posted by Locke%Hegemon@polnet.gov (Member # 6244) on :
I'm new to this site and just realized that what i said has already been used but feel free to express your opinions on both as thus my topic title is a little more to the point than the other person who has talked about this already...
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
canyoupleaseusepunctuactionmarksbecauseyourpostsareverydifficulttoreadotherwise
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
I second that.
Posted by Locke%Hegemon@polnet.gov (Member # 6244) on :
well, i am truely sorry my post have annoyed you by not using puntuation marks. i guess i jumped to the conclusion that eveyron that could us a computer also knew how to read, whether or there was any in there in the first place. i will try to make up for my past mistakes and as for you i would suggest trying not to be so proper cause that too can be annoying. these post are of entertainment and of personal opinion issues, thus i should not feel like i am in school when im doing this. thank you for your concern with my grammar skills and i cant wait to hear what you have to say about me not capitalizing the 1st letter of my sentences, if you cant tell what im saying without them capitalized then you need some serious help...
Posted by Locke%Hegemon@polnet.gov (Member # 6244) on :
everyone*
Posted by Anthro (Member # 6087) on :
No, it's just annoying. On Hatrack, it's kinda a given that 1. You use correct mechanics(punctuation, etc) 2. You spell correctly(by the way, you can edit your posts, you know). 3. And you use good grammar.
It just makes it easier on everyone.
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
Did anybody else read that Encylopedia Brown story where the boy had left a phone message for his girlfriend with his girlfriend's little brother, and then the next time she saw him, she slugged him in the eye?
It turned out the little kid who had taken the message hadn't used any puncutation, and so the girl filled it in herself, putting it in all the wrong places, creating a letter that sounded like he wanted to break up with her.
But Encylopedia figured it out. For a quarter.
:: Goes off to dig up his Encyclopedia Brown books ::
Posted by Papa Lima (Member # 3924) on :
quote:well, i am truely sorry my post have annoyed you by not using puntuation marks. i guess i jumped to the conclusion that eveyron that could us a computer also knew how to read, whether or there was any in there in the first place.
Well, everyone using a computer might well be able to read.
However, it's apparent from your posting that not everyone using a computer is able to write.
PL
Posted by hugh57 (Member # 5527) on :
quote: well, i am truely sorry my post have annoyed you by not using puntuation marks. i guess i jumped to the conclusion that eveyron that could us a computer also knew how to read, whether or there was any in there in the first place.
I am sorry too, but I find that a refusal to use punctuation makes a post (or any other piece of writing) very hard to read. If it's hard to read, chances are that I won't bother to read it. And that means that you will have failed to communicate.
Written language is the primary means we have to communicate on this forum, and punctuation is an important of that. I'm sorry if that sounds pedantic, but there it is.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: well, i am truely sorry my post have annoyed you by not using puntuation marks. i guess i jumped to the conclusion that eveyron that could us a computer also knew how to read, whether or there was any in there in the first place....
if you cant tell what im saying without them capitalized then you need some serious help...
It's not that your posts *can't* be read, but go back and look at at your post. It *IS* more difficlut to read. Punctuation and capatilization break up the long stream of prose into smaller chunks that our brains can digest. Our brains are used to reading formatted English, and do it automatically. Without the formatting, we have to go through and *think* (argh! thinking hurts!) about where to break it all up.
It's like we are in elementary school again. We have to loboriously go through the text and peice it together. Reading speed and comprehension go down.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
<-- doesn't know how to read
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Holy crap you guys are harsh. This is the internet, no where in the forum rules does it say to use proper engrish .
If you don't want to read posts with bad punctuation, don't and keep your unhappy pissed off thoughts to yourself. It ain't worth the effort of telling someone to use propper punctuation, and it makes you look as if you need a medical opperation to remove the stick from your arse. Lighten up, it's just a forum, not an english paper.
As to who should play the parts, completely unknown actors and actresses is my vote.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Where's the fun in keeping unhappy and pissed off thoughts to myself?
[ March 01, 2004, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Kama ]
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
If you have fun being unpleasant then that's your karma, karma. It's even more sad that you can't just read the subject and post (or not) your suggestions for parts for the movies, insteading of the first 10 or so posts being "you suck cause you can't write well".
[ March 01, 2004, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: HonestAbe ]
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
*pat pat*
Welcome to Hatrack Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
**burninates anyone who comes near Kama**
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Nice. I have a bodyguard.
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Will you make an exception for some special people, though?
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Am I going to be the only one that actualy posts about what this topic is about?
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Yes.
Posted by Trogdor the Burninator (Member # 4894) on :
Nope, John gets it too.
Oh, and Mr. Honest?
Honestly --
**burninates uppity newbie**
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
But... but....
Oh, what the hell. John can take care of himself well enough.
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
What an origional name you have trogdor! I'm an "upity newbie"? ROFL. It's so lame for people to act all high and mighty based on how long they've been a member. It's even more lame to rip on people cause they don't punctuate their posts. It's clear that you just want to start conflict cause you're an upity "veteran" of these boards. Why not just answer his question, or not post at all? or start your own thread about punctuation, I recomend you title it "The No-Punctuation Post Cry-Party"
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
quote: Am I going to be the only one that actualy posts about what this topic is about?
Excuse me, what? You have yet to write anything about the topic. And by the way, even though this IS the internet, he should still have the courtesy to write in a way that makes it easier for the reader to comprehend what he is trying to say.
quote: If you don't want to read posts with bad punctuation, don't and keep your unhappy pissed off thoughts to yourself.
Please keep your unhappy pissed off thoughts to yourself.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Hey Trogdor!
The newbie said you were LAME!!!!
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Yogi did you happen to miss the part where I said I think the movie would be best cast with unknown actors?
While punctuation is nice, reading his post was easy, I skimmed it and got the gist of it in a few seconds, it wasn't "hard" for me, so since all of you are such english scholars it should be even easier for you.
I am neither unhappy or pissed off. I'm quite happy, I find the posts here pretty amuseing. Especialy the ones where people quote sections of what people said and don't bother checking to see if what they're saying is accurate, makes them look silly.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
quote: I am very unhappy and pissed off. I'm quite unhappy, I find the posts here pretty amuseing. Especialy the ones where people quote sections of what people said and don't bother checking to see if what they're saying is accurate, makes them look stupid.
Well, I think you need some time in Time-Out then, Abe.
I'm sorry I had to, it's been such a good day for Hatrack already.
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Isn't it super bad etiquite to misquote someone? Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Etiquite? I'm not sure I understand the question. Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
It's ok, I'm just a newbie I woulnd't be able to explain it to a veteran of these boards anyway, we'd get stuck talking about what words I spelled wrong instead of the content of the post.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Just playin' Abe. Welcome to the board, you need to have a good sense of humor and a strong sense of self in order to survive the other side. You'll do just fine.
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Thanks, and what is "The other side"?
Posted by Locke%Hegemon@polnet.gov (Member # 6244) on :
As i said i am new to this forum stuff ok, so give me a break. I corrected myself for mispelling everyone so therefore, making fun of it is irrevelant except for just trying to be annoying yourselves. I thank you honestabe for defending me im glad i can find at least one person who can actually read whether or not it's typed correctly to the academic honors standards for the united states. As for the rest of you get a life and for heavens sake get a girlfriend/boyfriend then maybe you'll lighten up.(but then again with your attitudes id be surprised if you kept one for long)...
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
burn.. lol
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
I know I've only been here a few months, but I don't think I've ever seen a bunch of newbies get so defensive and offensive when someone simply asked them to make their posts a little easier to read. (Not that I think there is anything wrong with being new. I'm probably still considered a newb.) Look around at the posts here and on the other side (Book, Films, Food, and American Culture) and you'll find that for the most part people at least make an effort to use correct grammar and punctuation. It just makes life easier.
Edit: And we read a story in Spanish last year about a will. There was no punctuation so everyone put in punctuation that would leave everything to himself. The judge ended up picking the option that gave everything to the state (read: him). So punctuation can be very important.
[ March 01, 2004, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: MidnightBlue ]
Posted by Locke%Hegemon@polnet.gov (Member # 6244) on :
All i did was ask a simple question? Is that so wrong to do? Then the next thing i know im having my head ripped off about punctuation. I have more important stuff to worry about like what am i gonna do after high school, how am i gonna support me and my girlfriend, and when the perfect time to ask her to marry me will be...
Posted by docmagik (Member # 1131) on :
Wow! This one's really hard!
Bugs Meany HAD to have done it, but he's got a water-tight alibi--he was sitting around his clubhouse eating cherries all day.
Now Encylopedia is searching the grass and the trash cans. What's he doing? Why doesn't he interview Bugs more?
I don't want to turn to the back until I figure it out . . .
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
I've never seen a bunch of stuck up forum monkeys rip appart anyones post so quickly, and completely ignore his question.
Hard to read, that's BS, it's easy to read, it's a simple question, which you can get from reading the topic alone. If the sentence: "Who do you think should play teh parts in the Enders Game film" is difficult for you to read and/or understand, then you shouldn't be lecturing people on their grammer skills.
Anyway, back to the real topic. I guess I'll explain why I said unknown actors might be the best choice for the film.
There are many talented people out there, waiting for their shot, who can be found and cast to the roles for the movies. Hireing unknowns is cheaper than hiring the big stars, which means more money for other things. I'm no movie executive, so I'm just speculating. Plus I cannot think of any big time actors that would be good for the characters in Ender's Game.
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
HonestAbe, you seem pretty cool. And you're right, people can be unduly mean to newbies sometimes. Sorry about all that ... we usually expect better of each other around here.
That said, though, isn't this Locke guy a riot? Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Yes he is. I like punctuation rebellion! DOWN WITH APOSTROPHES!
er... ya
anyway, locke, is english your first launguage?
Posted by A Rat Named Dog (Member # 699) on :
The absolute best part is when he talks about his girlfriend like she's a big status symbol, here on a forum brimming with married people Heh heh ... I remember when I was that proud of having a girlfriend. It was way back in nineteen ninety-four. I was sixteen then ... [drones on while audience goes to sleep]
Posted by Comma (Member # 5114) on :
Locke, why do you hate me so much? What have I ever done to you? Posted by The Editor-in-Chief (Member # 5014) on :
quote:Hard to read, that's BS, it's easy to read, it's a simple question, which you can get from reading the topic alone. If the sentence: "Who do you think should play teh parts in the Enders Game film" is difficult for you to read and/or understand, then you shouldn't be lecturing people on their grammer skills.
Easy to read? We're talking about the post, not the thread title. You tell me which version is easier to read:
quote:Maybe if we start a post with whom we think should play the parts of the characters one of the ppl involved with the movis might read it and use it as a guide even if not all characters are who we thought they should be in opinion it might help them with deciding who should play who. As for now i only have one suggestion and that is that Morgan Freeman should play in it one way or another as of the moment i think he would play a good Colonel Graff and as i think of more ill post em on here and see what you all think feel free for your own opinions as well; I'm sure the developers wouldnt mind a little help from the fans since we undoubtedly will be the target viewers of the film...
quote:Maybe if we start a post with who we think should play the parts of the characters, one of the people involved with the movie might read it and use it as a guide, even if not all characters are who we thought they should be. It might help them with deciding who should play who.
As for now, I only have one suggestion, and that is that Morgan Freeman should play in it one way or another. As of the moment, I think he would play a good Colonel Graff, and as I think of more, I'll post 'em on here and see what you all think.
Feel free for your own opinions as well; I'm sure the developers wouldn't mind a little help from the fans since we undoubtedly will be the target viewers of the film.
And by the way, it's grammar, not grammer. Thank you.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
doc:
Maybe I need to come look at this side of the forum more often...
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Locke, the problem's not necessarily so much your lack of punctuation, though that's certainly a large part of it. You see, even people like me who've been here for less than a year have seen this topic at least eighty-five kabajillion freakin' times, and seen it done more politely.
You have to really SELL us your topic or we'll go to that OTHER casting the Ender's Game movie thread... The one that's easy to read. I mean, really, guy, do your job here!
So really, then, it's a combination of your lack of punctuation and grammar, lack of politeness, and lack of ability to use the search feature to find other threads with the exact same topic.
That said, welcome to Hatrack.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Also, no offense meant. We all did this at the start of it, barring incredible oldbies like AKA and Papa Moose. My first post was on an Ender's game movie thread...
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Editor, I know you guys were talking about the content of his post, but clearly no one really cares about the content of the post (in which case they need not post). The line about the topic being easy to read, I was just trying to make a point that you don't even need to read what he wrote, since what he's asking is clear from the topic.
Guess my humor with mis-spelling grammar was a little too subtle, my mistake.
I suppose you actually think spending the time to correct his paragraph was worth your time?
His orgional post was an unpunctuated mess, but it's really easy to skim it and get what he was saying. I don't know about you guys, but if I see a period in a paragraph I pause in my head before going on. His unpunctuated mess of a pargraph I skimmed in a few secconds, I got the main points.
1. maybe the people making the movie will listen to us (hahahhahaha) 2. he suggest morgan freeman for graff (interesting choice, I can even see it as maybe a good one) 3. the people doing casting will appreciate our help since we're all fans and their target audience (doubt it, but it would be cool if they bothered to look at all the threads about this).
A child could read his paragraph and understand it. Boo hoo! IT'S SO HARD TO READ WITHOUT PUNCTUATION!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I THINK I'LL GO CRY IN A CORNER!!!
Ryuko, did you miss his first reply to his own thread: "I'm new to this site and just realized that what i said has already been used but feel free to express your opinions on both as thus my topic title is a little more to the point than the other person who has talked about this already... "
Bah, not I'm contradicting myself by spending the 2 minutes it took to write this. It isn't worth it, but forums have that quirky way of getting out of hand. I still say it's rather lame of all these people to rip on this guy for such a little thing, and on top of that completely ignore his topic.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
quote:I suppose you actually think spending the time to correct his paragraph was worth your time?
Yes, I'd say he does. Improving the grammar of the world, one post at at time - it's a noble job.
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Did it make this guy use punctuation? I doubt it.
Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
wow honestabe your right thank you for libertating us peeple who speek english as a second langwich. maybe now everybody does'nt have to write good and everybody could write like this. yeah that would be cool. and i agree with you about the unknown people playing the people in enders game. your right. im sorry abot not seing that before.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
OK, I will try not to be rude. Not easy. I'm on this board since more than three years, and at first sight you can see that here, contrary to other Internet forums, everybody tries to use ponctuation, good grammar, to make his writing easily understandable for everyone. I'm French, so it hasn't always been easy for me to write correctly in English, but I always tried, and at last apologized each time I knew my text was far from perfection. So if you want to write with no ponctuation, no capitalization and no grammar, you can, but everybody will be pissed off and after a few time, they won't pay attention to you. At all. And let me tell you something, it would be a shame, but for you, cause Hatrack is the best online community I know, you can learn a lot here and have real friendships. Good, or at last not horrific grammar is just a non-written rule you should respect. It's not that hard, is it?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Abe, I'm sorry. I didn't get your subtle joke involving "grammer." I do now, though.
While we're on the topic, what subtle joke were you making with "origional" in your last post?
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Seriously, can anyone explain to me why we SHOULDN'T expect to hold our posters to "Honors English standards" here?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Don't worry Tom, everyone agrees with you. I mean, even I seem to be able to write a post with less than 10 errors in each sentence, so everybody must be able to do so. Posted by The Editor-in-Chief (Member # 5014) on :
So good writing is "such a little thing"? Then why is English required every year of public school? Why is English so important on the SAT, ACT, and GRE?
And you should note that no one said it was unreadable or incomprehendible, nor did anyone go cry in a corner. You could do with some chilling out, too.
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
Tom that was a genuin mistake heh.
That's great and all that everyone tries hard to use propper english, and it's an important unwritten rule, but it's easy to see how locke took it personaly when like 10 people completely ignored his question and went straight to critiqueing his punctuation. I hope I didn't piss anyone off with my posts, I was just trying to make a point that even if it IS an important un-written rule, you could have posted a polite request (and locke should lighten up and not take everything personaly).
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
It's typical, Mr in-chief. I mean, children here do exactly the same thing. Why should I learn to write correct French, and bla bla bla. They do not realize they will never get a job if they don't know how to write a motivation letter !
Posted by phoenix646 (Member # 1996) on :
Wow. This place has changed! I know I haven't been here in like a year, but... wow.
[sniff] everyone used to be so nice!
Frankly I had no problem with either the punctuation thing OR the request to fix it... why fight about it? I love you guys and this place, but really.
I think Morgan Freeman would be ok, but its too close to Star Wars for him to be really effective in another sci-fi type movie. I think I remember someone saying Will Smith would be pretty cool as a "young Graff" (or was it Anderson?) when this topic was discussed before, and I agree. I had some others, but I can't remember them...
At one point I thought the Sixth Sense kid would be great for Ender, but I'm not so sure anymore...
Posted by phoenix646 (Member # 1996) on :
(referring to the beginning of the post mostly; this last part isn't so bad)
You guys are great and you know it Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Why Morgan Freeman, Locke? Is it his voice or his "look" that you think makes him a good fit for the part?
I guess I always pictured Graff as more grandfatherly -- white hair, yet very buff (because he is a military officer, after all).
Farmgirl
Posted by alath (Member # 6150) on :
I think Morgan Freeman would make a better Mazor Reckham than a Graff, and I too had thought of Graff as an older, larger, grey-ish haired man.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Anna, St. Yogi is new, only at around thirty posts, we were all bad when we were new.
Rhaegar
Posted by Gubernator (Member # 6264) on :
I always thought of Graff as more of an administrator, not so much a true military guy. I thought he was like in his forties. Maybe Ving Rhames? Also, there is no way that Ender should be played by Hailey Joe Osment. That kid is so annoying, and probably too old for the part. The role of the kids will be very interesting actually, because it's hard to get kids that age to make it believable. I think that the screenplay would have to be written for kids a little older, or maybe a lot older. In that case, how about Allison Lohman for Petra?
[ March 02, 2004, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Gubernator ]
Posted by Gubernator (Member # 6264) on :
Also, I thought of Mazer Rackham as more of a small, spry old man. Like the guy from "Karate Kid!"
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I'm sorry I've been a bit harsh, I really had a bad day. Posted by St. Yogi (Member # 5974) on :
quote: Anna, St. Yogi is new, only at around thirty posts, we were all bad when we were new.
What did I do? I guess I was a bit harsh about the whole punctuation thing. I took it a bit too far.
Sorry about that.
Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
I guess it doesn't come off well over the internet, but I really don't take anything that I say all that seriously. I get worked up over things easily and once I take a side in something I don't let it up. Hence why I don't enter the political or religious threads. I looked at this thread, thought "Not another EG movie casting thread... " And then saw the post. It seriously does give me a headache to try to read things without punctuation and that have shortened words. I don't use im all that often and when I use e-mail and this forum I'm used to writing in proper english and getting replies that are the same. My point is that it might be easier for some people to read the shorthand version, because that is what they are used to, but a lot of the people here aren't, and it's just frustrating to try and decode it. Sorry for the um... less than friendly welcome to hatrack. I apologize if I came off as rude, and I'd like to say to all of the newbs in the thread, Welcome to hatrack.
Edit: And as to casting, I really don't care who is cast, as long as they do a good job and stay true to the spirit of the book. I really don't watch a lot of movies, so I don't know who a lot of actors are. I think all of the kids will have to be played by people we haven't heard of if for no other reason than that anyone who's popular now will probably be too old when it comes time to cast. Especially Bean.
[ March 03, 2004, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: MidnightBlue ]
Posted by HonestAbe (Member # 6254) on :
if it gives you a headache, and it's "just another EG casting thread" don't read it.
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" And then saw the post. It seriously does give me a headache to try to read things without punctuation and that have shortened words. I don't use im all that often and when I use e-mail and this forum I'm used to writing in proper english and getting replies that are the same. My point is that it might be easier for some people to read the shorthand version, because that is what they are used to, but a lot of the people here aren't, and it's just frustrating to try and decode it. Sorry for the um... less than friendly welcome to hatrack. I apologize if I came off as rude, and I'd like to say to all of the newbs in the thread, Welcome to hatrack. ![[Wave]](graemlins/wave.gif)